Re: TWOFA - A 2FA Two-Factor Authentication solution 100% native to the IBM i

^this...

There is 0 reason for a new RPG application to not be fully *free.

Charles

On Sun, May 10, 2026 at 4:17 PM Jon Paris <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think you missed my point.
>
> Of course, there is a lot of old columnar RPG out there. Code that has
> been running for decades.
>
> I've stated my opinion on how short-sighted I think it is to leave the
> code that way many time. But that is irrelevant to this thread.
>
> This is a _new_ package being offered. I simply expressed disappointment
> at _new_ stuff being put out in such an old format.
>
> That is all.
>
>
> Jon Paris
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 2026, at 2:30 PM, Steve M <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Even as I am typing this I know it's a bad idea, but I can't stop
> myself.
> >
> > There's a real world out there, Jon, and a lot of the leaders in our
> industry, like yourself, I think sometime forget that.  It's columnar RPG,
> not free.  It's left-hand indicators and L1/LR logic.  It's O-specs and not
> PRTF.  It's F-specs and not imbedded SQL.  It's S36 legacy.  It's PF/LF
> (even fixed length F-Spec) and not DDL.
> >
> > Just like the millions upon millions of COBOL out there that still runs
> the backbone of systems today, RPG is no different.  One must accept this
> as fact; like it or not.  As you put it, "hard to read" or not.  That you,
> or someone else might write it today, or not.
> >
> > Client to client, company to company, I continue to encounter this
> truth.  Maybe you have the luxury of being selective to the best and
> brightest of code - but a lot of us, I dare to say most of us, are slugging
> it through legacy day in/day out.  It's what got us here - it's what keeps
> the platform relevant and even in use in most cases. Without it, they'd
> fold it up and close it down.
> >
> > I know there is going to be a holy-war on this one; entrenched
> positions, desires and beliefs, and even defiance.   Sorry all, it is what
> it is.  That's the system.  Again, no different than COBOL, so I strongly
> encourage we embrace it, support it, and even write in that fashion when
> the client/company says, "we want our changes to look just like the rest
> and not bounce back and forth old and new."  Not every company has the
> time, money, or more so the desire to want to enhance/upgrade/modernize.
> That's okay - as long as they keep our platform alive we should encourage
> them, support them, and assist them and not battle with them over a
> meaningless hill to die upon; the hill of that's older code and you
> (client/company) need to upgrade it.  No, they don't.  It's theirs to do as
> they wish.
> >
> > I am prepared for the onslaught of replies back at me arguing the
> opposite, but to those who do I ask you this - why argue it at all?  It's a
> fact.  It's out there. It's staying. If you don’t like to deal with it
> wherever you are today then find a different shop to work and be happy.
> But as long as your shop desires the old way, help them the absolute best
> you can to make them be the absolute best they can be.  For that, right
> there, is what makes an IBM i developer different than any other language
> or platform - we want the best for our client; not always ourselves.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MIDRANGE-L <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
> Jon Paris
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2026 13:01
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <[email protected]
> >
> > Subject: Re: TWOFA - A 2FA Two-Factor Authentication solution 100%
> native to the IBM i
> >
> > Agreed but sad to see that so much of it is fixed form, though. Even the
> calcs in some cases.
> >
> > I know ... I'm getting old and cranky, but I really find it hard to read
> fixed form calcs these days - so many years since I wrote any.
> >
> >
> > Jon Paris
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2026, at 1:15 PM, Richard Schoen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This looks very interesting.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Richard Schoen
> >> Web: http://www.richardschoen.net
> >> Email: [email protected]
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> message: 1
> >> date: Sun, 10 May 2026 12:53:14 +0800
> >> from: Vengoal Chang <[email protected]>
> >> subject: TWOFA - A 2FA Two-Factor Authentication solution 100% native
> >> to the IBM i
> >>
> >> Please reference
> >> https://github.com/vengoal/TWOFA
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Vengoal Chang
> >>
> >>
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