Re: [ee] PCB local fag

Right now, because of the orange terrorist my foolish, foolish fellow Americans have put in the white house there is a minimum customs fee of over $100 per order (of any size, even $.01 total from nearly any other country) or the current tariff whichever is higher, right now most things from  China are over 100% tariff if imported to the U.S.  It is insanity and a clear attempt to hurt everyone no matter where they live.  Some people just don't know what a sociopath, particularly one who feels snubbed, spends their time doing.  Many don't seem to remember his first 30 years in office.  Taiwan isn't even safe.  No country is safe, he keeps doing this to Canada and Mexico as well.  He's a hater and a hurter, that simple.

Yes, relative to oversees prices in China and such U.S. Domestic prices for prototyped boards are steep enough to put them out of my reach.  I was going to join the local makers guild any way.  For $30 a month (because I'm poor by American standards) I get access to a board miller and lots of other neat fab stuff after training, like a sheet metal break, milling machines (both CNC and manual).  Some of that equipment has a modest hourly fee for use as well.  No country is safe from this mad man.  Now he wants to put a huge tariff on imported copper.  We will all be paying dearly, in non financial ways and direct financial ways.  I'm frankly glad I'm not still professionally in the field.

I knew how expensive boards could be from earlier work, I was delighted to see I could get much better pricing, even with some spec. issues, from overseas.  This is what happens when you let people like Bezos steal corporate money to bribe officials by throwing money and praise at the candidate.

Yes, that is harsh, but it's also an utterly intellectually honest analyses of the situation.  I knew a very long time ago that my fellow citizens failed grossly to pay enough attention to what candidates promised and what they've done in the past.  If you have any doubt, look at the people he's put in power, people like Hegseth.

No flame wars please, or any other wars.  We are all entitled to hold our own beliefs, right or wrong.  Don't ask the question if you don't want to know the answer, or better realize that we all have to pay attention.

I have no issue with honestly divergent opinions, my own are constantly being re-evaluated and becoming more nuanced.  People are complicated, in office or in the public.


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On Monday, July 21st, 2025 at 1:52 PM, RussellMc <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 at 01:34, Denny Esterline [email protected] wrote:
> 
> > I know I'm stretching the topic a bit here, but could you clarify
> > "Destroyed by tariffs", please?
> > 
> > Nobody asked me (Sir she said ...) but from far off NZ I read that as
> 
> "costing a lot more than they did until recently".
> 
> The (apparent and wholly believable fact ) that US boards still cost a lot
> more is part of the finding out process.
> 
> 
> 
> Russell
> 
> (NB! - that's just an observation - not intended as a comment either way on
> anything said).
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