Re: [ee] PCB local fag

And these tariffs are intended to make America great again which is a
laudable objective
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 at 18:32, Denny Esterline <[email protected]> wrote:

> Everybody is absolutely entitled to their own opinion. This is not
> where we share them.
>
> The situation as it stands today, even with tariffs, shipping, and
> taxes, China is still significantly less expensive than domestic
> production. Like not even close. At least for my needs. No doubt the
> arithmetic is different for very small orders.
>
> I was simply trying to understand your assertion about "destroyed by
> tariffs." Yes, they've increased my cost of doing business, but I'm a
> long way from being "destroyed."
>
> -Denny
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 9:02 AM madscientistatlarge
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Right now, because of the orange terrorist my foolish, foolish fellow
> Americans have put in the white house there is a minimum customs fee of
> over $100 per order (of any size, even $.01 total from nearly any other
> country) or the current tariff whichever is higher, right now most things
> from  China are over 100% tariff if imported to the U.S.  It is insanity
> and a clear attempt to hurt everyone no matter where they live.  Some
> people just don't know what a sociopath, particularly one who feels
> snubbed, spends their time doing.  Many don't seem to remember his first 30
> years in office.  Taiwan isn't even safe.  No country is safe, he keeps
> doing this to Canada and Mexico as well.  He's a hater and a hurter, that
> simple.
> >
> > Yes, relative to oversees prices in China and such U.S. Domestic prices
> for prototyped boards are steep enough to put them out of my reach.  I was
> going to join the local makers guild any way.  For $30 a month (because I'm
> poor by American standards) I get access to a board miller and lots of
> other neat fab stuff after training, like a sheet metal break, milling
> machines (both CNC and manual).  Some of that equipment has a modest hourly
> fee for use as well.  No country is safe from this mad man.  Now he wants
> to put a huge tariff on imported copper.  We will all be paying dearly, in
> non financial ways and direct financial ways.  I'm frankly glad I'm not
> still professionally in the field.
> >
> > I knew how expensive boards could be from earlier work, I was delighted
> to see I could get much better pricing, even with some spec. issues, from
> overseas.  This is what happens when you let people like Bezos steal
> corporate money to bribe officials by throwing money and praise at the
> candidate.
> >
> > Yes, that is harsh, but it's also an utterly intellectually honest
> analyses of the situation.  I knew a very long time ago that my fellow
> citizens failed grossly to pay enough attention to what candidates promised
> and what they've done in the past.  If you have any doubt, look at the
> people he's put in power, people like Hegseth.
> >
> > No flame wars please, or any other wars.  We are all entitled to hold
> our own beliefs, right or wrong.  Don't ask the question if you don't want
> to know the answer, or better realize that we all have to pay attention.
> >
> > I have no issue with honestly divergent opinions, my own are constantly
> being re-evaluated and becoming more nuanced.  People are complicated, in
> office or in the public.
> >
> >
> > "Human beings are the only creatures on earth that claim a god, and the
> only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one.  Does the world
> belong to no one but you?"  The Lobster in "The rum diary"
> >
> >
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> > On Monday, July 21st, 2025 at 1:52 PM, RussellMc <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 at 01:34, Denny Esterline [email protected]
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know I'm stretching the topic a bit here, but could you clarify
> > > > "Destroyed by tariffs", please?
> > > >
> > > > Nobody asked me (Sir she said ...) but from far off NZ I read that as
> > >
> > > "costing a lot more than they did until recently".
> > >
> > > The (apparent and wholly believable fact ) that US boards still cost a
> lot
> > > more is part of the finding out process.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Russell
> > >
> > > (NB! - that's just an observation - not intended as a comment either
> way on
> > > anything said).
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