Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
Tim McCarthy <[email protected]> Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:59:29 +0000
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--===============0130896084413585042== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM6PR14MB285935B6256E30EBC8D1A8DBF3159DM6PR14MB2859namp_" --_000_DM6PR14MB285935B6256E30EBC8D1A8DBF3159DM6PR14MB2859namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In any case but even close to supported The disk may be similar but only certain disks are allowed in that shelf an= d the ones you want to cost over are not those disk. Please stop entertaining this idea especially for a production system. It w= on=92t be trouble waiting to happen (Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!) --tmac <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Heino Walther <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57:10 AM To: Tim McCarthy <[email protected]>; [email protected] <toasters@teapar= ty.net> Subject: SV: Migration to DS4486 shelf? As far as I can see on Hardware universe, DS4486 is still supported on 9.12= .1 ?? But you are right, if ONTAP wants to control which disks are in which raid = groups, it may become an issue=85 it may make good sense, but when going fr= om an existing setup by moving the disks over will require some planning ?? Anyway, I think the idea is deal because it looks like only SATA and MSATA = is supported in the caddies, and my existing disks are SAS=85 /Heino Fra: Tim McCarthy <[email protected]> Dato: onsdag, 30. november 2022 kl. 15.52 Til: Heino Walther <[email protected]>, [email protected] <toasters@teapa= rty.net> Emne: Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf? Do not do it. That shelf is end of support. It won=92t work properly on cur= rent ONTAP versions Disk failures are a pain. ONTAP prevents two disks in the same caddy from b= eing in the same raid group. When a disk does fail it has to fail the servi= ng drives in the caddy and you replaced two at a time (Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!) --tmac ________________________________ From: Toasters <[email protected]> on behalf of Heino Walther <= [email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:21:09 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Migration to DS4486 shelf? Hi there Because of space constraints I am planning to move my 3 pcs. DS212C into a = DS4486. But I have a few questions ?? My existing disks are X318 (8TB NL-SAS), and I think the caddies for the DS= 4486 are also SAS, so that should technically fit? Does the NetApp see 24 or 48 disks from the DS4486? Because I plan to reus= e existing disks with aggregates on them=85 I can see the DS4486 use special PN as spare disks because the caddy has tw= o disks installed. How does NetApp handle the replacement when one disk of= the two dies? I know the healthy disk is also copied to a spare before you can replace th= e caddy, but do you then replace both disks, or do you just replace the bro= ken disk of the two? I also have plans on replacing the IOM6 modules with IOM12 just as you can = in the DS4246 shelfs.. any issues with that? I know this is close if not far beyond what is supported ?? /Heino Heino Walther<https://www.linkedin.com/in/heinowalther/> Beardmann ApS<http://beardmann.dk/> Jellingvej 9 - 7100 Vejle<https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHXpXu> D: 7199 9060 M: 2075 7501 --_000_DM6PR14MB285935B6256E30EBC8D1A8DBF3159DM6PR14MB2859namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> </head> <body> <div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>In any case but even close to supported</div> <div dir=3D"ltr">The disk may be similar but only certain disks are allowed= in that shelf and the ones you want to cost over are not those disk. = </div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Please stop entertaining this idea especially for a produc= tion system. It won=92t be trouble waiting to happen</div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <p style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0= in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 3= 3)"> <span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 7= 3, 125);line-height:1.5">(Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!)</span><= /p> <p style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0= in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 3= 3)"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-si= ze:12pt"><br> </span></p> <p style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0= in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 3= 3)"> <span style=3D"color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-si= ze:12pt">--tmac</span></p> <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef"></a></div> </div> </div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Heino Walther <hw@= beardmann.dk><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57:10 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Tim McCarthy <[email protected]>; [email protected] <= ;[email protected]><br> <b>Subject:</b> SV: Migration to DS4486 shelf?</font> <div> </div> </div> <style> <!-- @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"} @font-face {font-family:Calibri} @font-face {font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"} p.x_MsoNormal, li.x_MsoNormal, div.x_MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif} a:link, span.x_MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline} p.x_xmsonormal, li.x_xmsonormal, div.x_xmsonormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif} span.x_EmailStyle22 {font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext} .x_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt} @page WordSection1 {margin:3.0cm 2.0cm 3.0cm 2.0cm} div.x_WordSection1 {} --> </style> <div lang=3D"DA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-wo= rd"> <div class=3D"x_WordSection1"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"">As far as I can se= e on Hardware universe, DS4486 is still supported on 9.12.1 </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Apple Color Emoji&qu= ot;,serif">😉</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D""></span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"">But you are right,= if ONTAP wants to control which disks are in which raid groups, it may bec= ome an issue=85 it may make good sense, but when going from an existing set= up by moving the disks over will require some planning </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Apple= Color Emoji",serif">😉</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D""> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"">Anyway, I think th= e idea is deal because it looks like only SATA and MSATA is supported in th= e caddies, and my existing disks are SAS=85 </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D""> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"">/Heino</span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D""> </span></p> <div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0c= m 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"f= ont-size:12.0pt; color:black">Fra: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Tim McCarthy <t= [email protected]><br> <b>Dato: </b>onsdag, 30. november 2022 kl. 15.52<br> <b>Til: </b>Heino Walther <[email protected]>, [email protected] &l= t;[email protected]><br> <b>Emne: </b>Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?</span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Do not do it. That shelf is end of support. It won= =92t work properly on current ONTAP versions</p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Disk failures are a pain. ONTAP prevents two disks= in the same caddy from being in the same raid group. When a disk does fail= it has to fail the serving drives in the caddy and you replaced two at a t= ime</p> </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"x_ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p style=3D"margin:0cm; background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; = font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">(Any typos are cou= rtesy of Google GBoard!)</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p> <p style=3D"margin:0cm; background:white"><span style=3D"color:black"> = ;</span></p> <p style=3D"margin:0cm; background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; = font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">--tmac</span><span= style=3D"color:black"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div class=3D"x_MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"> <hr size=3D"0" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center"> </div> <div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><sp= an style=3D"color:black"> Toasters <[email protected]> on= behalf of Heino Walther <[email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:21:09 AM<br> <b>To:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]><br> <b>Subject:</b> Migration to DS4486 shelf?</span> </p> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi there</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Because of space constraints= I am planning to move my 3 pcs. DS212C into a DS4486.</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">But I have a few questions <= /span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Apple Color Emoji&quo= t;,serif">😊</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">My existing disks are X318 (= 8TB NL-SAS), and I think the caddies for the DS4486 are also SAS, so that s= hould technically fit?</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Does the NetApp see 24 or 48= disks from the DS4486? Because I plan to reuse existing disks with a= ggregates on them=85</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I can see the DS4486 use spe= cial PN as spare disks because the caddy has two disks installed. How= does NetApp handle the replacement when one disk of the two dies?</span></= p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I know the healthy disk is a= lso copied to a spare before you can replace the caddy, but do you then rep= lace both disks, or do you just replace the broken disk of the two?</span><= /p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I also have plans on replaci= ng the IOM6 modules with IOM12 just as you can in the DS4246 shelfs.. = any issues with that?</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I know this is close if not = far beyond what is supported </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Apple Color Emoji&qu= ot;,serif">😉</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">/Heino</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"> = </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a hre= f=3D"https://www.linkedin.com/in/heinowalther/" title=3D"https://www.linked= in.com/in/heinowalther/"><span style=3D"color:#022B53">Heino Walther</span>= </a></span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a hre= f=3D"http://beardmann.dk/" title=3D"http://beardmann.dk/"><span style=3D"co= lor:#022B53">Beardmann ApS</span></a></span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a hre= f=3D"https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHXpXu" title=3D"https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHX= pXu"><span style=3D"color:#022B53">Jellingvej 9 - 7100 Vejle</span></a></sp= an></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"> = </span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">D: 719= 9 9060 </span><span style=3D"color:black">M: 2075 7501</span></p> <p class=3D"x_xmsonormal"> </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_DM6PR14MB285935B6256E30EBC8D1A8DBF3159DM6PR14MB2859namp_-- --===============0130896084413585042== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list [email protected] https://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters --===============0130896084413585042==--