Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
Sebastian Goetze <[email protected]> Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:23:56 +0100
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0102020461976125646== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------oCl77x00u6PnoXkhK2oHWztA" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------oCl77x00u6PnoXkhK2oHWztA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Had a closer look, quick checks can be deceiving... :-| On 30.11.2022 16:07, Sebastian Goetze wrote: > > I checked in HWU, there's literally no overlap between the disks you > can put into a 4486 and the ones in a 212C. > > On the other hand, you should be able to use the suggested DS460C. > From what I see, all the disks in a DS212C are also supported in the > 460C... > Size and Type fit, but the model numbers are actually different. This time I checked the disks, and which shelved they fit into: X318A-R6 actually fits into the DS212C (no surprise), but neither the DS4486 nor the DS460C. Technically I do not really see a problem, but who knows, the available firmware might have something to say about that... e.g. * X318__*HARHE08TA07*_ in the 212C * X376__*HARHE08TA07*_ in the 460C Reflash the disks? Hmmmmmmmmm... /Sebastian > And the offset for the extra cost would be, that you can re-use the > IOM12 modules... > > > /Sebastian > > > On 30.11.2022 15:59, Tim McCarthy wrote: >> In any case but even close to supported >> The disk may be similar but only certain disks are allowed in that >> shelf and the ones you want to cost over are not those disk. >> Please stop entertaining this idea especially for a production >> system. It won’t be trouble waiting to happen >> >> (Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!) >> >> >> --tmac >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Heino Walther <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57:10 AM >> *To:* Tim McCarthy <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* SV: Migration to DS4486 shelf? >> >> As far as I can see on Hardware universe, DS4486 is still supported >> on 9.12.1 😉 >> >> But you are right, if ONTAP wants to control which disks are in which >> raid groups, it may become an issue… it may make good sense, but when >> going from an existing setup by moving the disks over will require >> some planning 😉 >> >> Anyway, I think the idea is deal because it looks like only SATA and >> MSATA is supported in the caddies, and my existing disks are SAS… >> >> /Heino >> >> *Fra: *Tim McCarthy <[email protected]> >> *Dato: *onsdag, 30. november 2022 kl. 15.52 >> *Til: *Heino Walther <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> *Emne: *Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf? >> >> Do not do it. That shelf is end of support. It won’t work properly on >> current ONTAP versions >> >> Disk failures are a pain. ONTAP prevents two disks in the same caddy >> from being in the same raid group. When a disk does fail it has to >> fail the serving drives in the caddy and you replaced two at a time >> >> (Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!) >> >> --tmac >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*Toasters <[email protected]> on behalf of Heino >> Walther <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:21:09 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Migration to DS4486 shelf? >> >> Hi there >> >> Because of space constraints I am planning to move my 3 pcs. DS212C >> into a DS4486. >> >> But I have a few questions 😊 >> >> My existing disks are X318 (8TB NL-SAS), and I think the caddies for >> the DS4486 are also SAS, so that should technically fit? >> >> Does the NetApp see 24 or 48 disks from the DS4486? Because I plan >> to reuse existing disks with aggregates on them… >> >> I can see the DS4486 use special PN as spare disks because the caddy >> has two disks installed. How does NetApp handle the replacement when >> one disk of the two dies? >> >> I know the healthy disk is also copied to a spare before you can >> replace the caddy, but do you then replace both disks, or do you just >> replace the broken disk of the two? >> >> I also have plans on replacing the IOM6 modules with IOM12 just as >> you can in the DS4246 shelfs.. any issues with that? >> >> I know this is close if not far beyond what is supported 😉 >> >> /Heino >> >> Heino Walther <https://www.linkedin.com/in/heinowalther/> >> >> Beardmann ApS <http://beardmann.dk/> >> >> Jellingvej 9 - 7100 Vejle <https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHXpXu> >> >> D: 7199 9060 M: 2075 7501 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Toasters mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters --------------oCl77x00u6PnoXkhK2oHWztA Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <p>Had a closer look, quick checks can be deceiving... :-|<br> </p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30.11.2022 16:07, Sebastian Goetze wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <p>I checked in HWU, there's literally no overlap between the disks you can put into a 4486 and the ones in a 212C.</p> <p>On the other hand, you should be able to use the suggested DS460C. From what I see, all the disks in a DS212C are also supported in the 460C...</p> </blockquote> <p>Size and Type fit, but the model numbers are actually different.</p> <p>This time I checked the disks, and which shelved they fit into:</p> <p>X318A-R6 actually fits into the DS212C (no surprise), but neither the DS4486 nor the DS460C.</p> <p>Technically I do not really see a problem, but who knows, the available firmware might have something to say about that... e.g.<br> </p> <ul> <li>X318_<u><b>HARHE08TA07</b></u> in the 212C </li> <li>X376_<u><b>HARHE08TA07</b></u> in the 460C<br> </li> </ul> <p>Reflash the disks? Hmmmmmmmmm...</p> <p><br> </p> <p>/Sebastian</p> <p><br> </p> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <p>And the offset for the extra cost would be, that you can re-use the IOM12 modules...</p> <p><br> </p> <p>/Sebastian</p> <p><br> </p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30.11.2022 15:59, Tim McCarthy wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DM6PR14MB285935B6256E30EBC8D1A8DBF3159@DM6PR14MB2859.namprd14.prod.outlook.com"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div>In any case but even close to supported</div> <div dir="ltr">The disk may be similar but only certain disks are allowed in that shelf and the ones you want to cost over are not those disk. </div> <div dir="ltr">Please stop entertaining this idea especially for a production system. It won’t be trouble waiting to happen</div> </div> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33)"> <span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);line-height:1.5">(Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!)</span></p> <p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33)"> <span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br> </span></p> <p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33)"> <span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">--tmac</span></p> </div> </div> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Heino Walther <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57:10 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Tim McCarthy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Subject:</b> SV: Migration to DS4486 shelf?</font> <div> </div> </div> <style>@font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"}@font-face {font-family:Calibri}@font-face {font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"}p.x_MsoNormal, li.x_MsoNormal, div.x_MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif}a:link, span.x_MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline}p.x_xmsonormal, li.x_xmsonormal, div.x_xmsonormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif}span.x_EmailStyle22 {font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext}.x_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt}div.x_WordSection1 {}</style> <div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="DA"> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">As far as I can see on Hardware universe, DS4486 is still supported on 9.12.1 </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji",serif" lang="EN-US">😉</span><span style="" lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">But you are right, if ONTAP wants to control which disks are in which raid groups, it may become an issue… it may make good sense, but when going from an existing setup by moving the disks over will require some planning </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji",serif" lang="EN-US">😉</span><span style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">Anyway, I think the idea is deal because it looks like only SATA and MSATA is supported in the caddies, and my existing disks are SAS… </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">/Heino</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Fra: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Tim McCarthy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Dato: </b>onsdag, 30. november 2022 kl. 15.52<br> <b>Til: </b>Heino Walther <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Emne: </b>Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?</span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal">Do not do it. That shelf is end of support. It won’t work properly on current ONTAP versions</p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal">Disk failures are a pain. ONTAP prevents two disks in the same caddy from being in the same raid group. When a disk does fail it has to fail the serving drives in the caddy and you replaced two at a time</p> </div> </div> </div> <div id="x_ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p style="margin:0cm; background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">(Any typos are courtesy of Google GBoard!)</span><span style="color:black"></span></p> <p style="margin:0cm; background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span></p> <p style="margin:0cm; background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">--tmac</span><span style="color:black"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"> <hr width="100%" size="0" align="center"> </div> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Toasters <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a> on behalf of Heino Walther <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:21:09 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Migration to DS4486 shelf?</span> </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi there</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Because of space constraints I am planning to move my 3 pcs. DS212C into a DS4486.</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">But I have a few questions </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji",serif" lang="EN-US">😊</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">My existing disks are X318 (8TB NL-SAS), and I think the caddies for the DS4486 are also SAS, so that should technically fit?</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Does the NetApp see 24 or 48 disks from the DS4486? Because I plan to reuse existing disks with aggregates on them…</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I can see the DS4486 use special PN as spare disks because the caddy has two disks installed. How does NetApp handle the replacement when one disk of the two dies?</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I know the healthy disk is also copied to a spare before you can replace the caddy, but do you then replace both disks, or do you just replace the broken disk of the two?</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I also have plans on replacing the IOM6 modules with IOM12 just as you can in the DS4246 shelfs.. any issues with that?</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I know this is close if not far beyond what is supported </span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji",serif" lang="EN-US">😉</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">/Heino</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/heinowalther/" title="https://www.linkedin.com/in/heinowalther/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#022B53">Heino Walther</span></a></span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://beardmann.dk/" title="http://beardmann.dk/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#022B53">Beardmann ApS</span></a></span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a href="https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHXpXu" title="https://goo.gl/maps/xQVPFMHXpXu" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#022B53">Jellingvej 9 - 7100 Vejle</span></a></span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">D: 7199 9060 </span><span style="color:black">M: 2075 7501</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"> </p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters</a></pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------oCl77x00u6PnoXkhK2oHWztA-- --===============0102020461976125646== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list [email protected] https://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters --===============0102020461976125646==--