Re: Dying net6501 servers

David, 

I won't laugh at all. I am now leaving both pfsense and soekris and I am building a RPI2 box just to this role. So far, so good. Till next weekend I may have it running as backup router, and soon after the main one. Must be prepared to change my 5501-70. The 6501-70 passed away first :/

Matheus 

On September 3, 2016 9:18:28 PM GMT-03:00, David Ruggiero <[email protected]> wrote:
>You might laugh, but for embedded applications where we only need 1-3
>hard-wired Ethernet ports, and don't need full GigE, we're actually
>starting to investigate using....Raspberry Pi 3s . (More and more often
>now, 802.11n/ac wireless is the primary connection medium for a lot of
>our
>client devices, so less need these days for wired Ethernet.)
>
>The RPi3 includes 802.11n, 10/100 ethernet, 4-port USB 2.0 (supporting
>Eth-to-USB converters), and Bluetooth low-power - all standard. Cost is
>incredibly cheap - just $35 qty 1, plus some small change for whatever
>you
>decide you need for a case and PSU. And their performance is
>astonishingly
>high - no firm benchmarks yet that I've seen, but looks like it's going
>to
>pen out at ~50% faster than the net6501-70 on single-threaded tasks,
>and
>even more on multi-threaded ones (given it has four (!) cores [*] ). 
>At
>those price/performance numbers, it becomes harder and harder to
>justify a
>platinum-priced, zero-support, non-updated-in-umpteen-years platform
>like
>Soekris.
>
>(One might argue the Soekris is more robustly built - whatever that
>means
>in the Real World, given all the failure reports here - but the price
>of a
>single net6501-70 will buy over a half-dozen RPi 3s to have around as
>spares, including extra cases and PSUs. )
>
>We haven't quantified the real power consumption yet, but everything
>points
>to the RPi 3 using less, sometimes a LOT less, juice than the net6501.
>We'll post our experiences as we evaluate and test.
>
>>> "I'm disappointed to find that Soekris has been so quite about these
>problems.  If this was a preventable
>>> heat issue with the CPU, I'm doubly disappointed since I asked about
>CPU
>power management when
>>> I first got the boards.  Soekris provided no solution but to run the
>CPUs at full power when they're very
>>> capable of running at much lower power with "normal" intel BIOS
>configurations."
>
>Yup. We are pretty well through with Soekris at this point unless
>there's
>no other choice, given the hardware reliability (witness this thread),
>zero
>communication, and total lack of updates (hardware, bios, and
>documentation). And that's all before the hugely out-of-whack
>price/performance/power ratio is considered.  We can also get support
>in a
>heartbeat from literally thousands of expert users of the platform -
>quite
>different.
>
>David
>
>
>[[ *  See:
>https://blog.pivotal.io/labs/labs/faster-soekris-net6501-raspberry-pi  
>- a
>2013 comparison with between the old RaspPi Model B vs the Soekris
>6501-70.
>Soekris at that time was 1.7x the speed of a RPi model B for a
>single-threaded task. But the new  RPi 3 is 2.5x+ faster than the model
>B
>for single-threads and 3x+ faster for multiple-threads, so given those
>numbers it's reasonable to think it's going to be 50% faster than the
>net6501-70 in the real world, at a bare minimum.]]
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 3:33 AM, Ben Kochie <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> We endedup replacing our soekris boards being used as routers with
>VyOS
>with Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite since we only needed 2 router ports for
>this
>install.  We used a 1U bracket so we could install 2 of them in 1U,
>saving
>a bit of space.
>>
>> https://www.rfarmor.com/index.php/toughswitch-mounts/1uurspoe.html
>>
>> I'm disappointed to find that Soekris has been so quite about these
>problems.  If this was a preventable heat issue with the CPU, I'm
>doubly
>disappointed since I asked about CPU power management when I first got
>the
>boards.  Soekris provided no solution but to run the CPUs at full power
>when they're very capable of running at much lower power with "normal"
>intel BIOS configurations.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Andreas Steinel
><[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Scott Gustafson <
>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Can anyone on the list share which vendor, model, and OS to which
>they
>>>> have switched?
>>>
>>> We switched to APU Boards
>>> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm
>
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