Re: Last Straw... I have had it!

Edward Mann wrote:
> Ok,
> 
> So i have had it with this 3.2 fragment issue. I have tried to get it to
> build, but my working environment is to new and is causing more issues
> for me working on 3.2. I have a version in Nightly that works. My idea
> is to keep it, make a update site for 3.2 and say if you want support
> move to 3.3. I have issues with 3.4 that i would like to work on, and i
> want to get things cleaned up for 3.4. 
> 
> So if someone else wants to take the 3.2 issue and work on it i will
> help where i can, it's mostly working, but it needs more attention,
> right now it will load the compatibility patch for everyone. I tried a
> workaround, but that only ended up in breaking the build. So i am
> throwing in the towel. I don't see it worth my time to get PHPEclipse
> 1.2.0 working on a very old version of Eclipse.
> 
> Also as it seems only two people tend to answer these posts, Mbowie, we
> will have an arm wrestling match and the winner get's to decide if we
> push 1.2.0 out with 3.3 support only.  The 1.2.0 series will support
> Eclipse 3.3. The 1.3.0 will support 3.4, and if we can get stuff done
> quicker than the 1.2.0 release, we will work on making 1.4.0 work with
> Eclipse 3.5 and have it out close to the time they do the next major
> release of Eclipse. Then maybe for the 3.6 release of Eclipse we can get
> in on the "all plug-ins release at same time" fun. 
> 
>>From talking with someone (zx) in the Eclipse channel we should target a
> release of PHPEclipse per Eclipse release. Because some items that we
> depend upon in a new release of PHPEclipse may not be in an older
> release of Eclipse. And like i said before we are not a large team, so
> we cannot branch and have people support different versions. But then
> again if someone wants to step forward and do that i am all for it. But
> your not volunteering me for the job. I don't mind fixing bugs, but it's
> gotta be worth fixing for me.
> 

Good day folks,

I think the victory here is being overshadowed by somewhat of a minor 
issue... the fact is that a rather annoying compatibility issue, (which, 
IMHO was partially introduced upstream,) has been resolved!  Big 
high-fives all round for Mr Mann, as he's done a great job working it 
out amongst all his other "real world" commitments.

I'd like to suggest that we roll a final 1.1.x build with the fragment 
included, then push 1.2.0 without it.  In an ideal world, I'd like to 
see the project continue to support 3.2, but I do agree that moving 
forward is a more pressing need.  I'd imagine that the nightly is going 
to go through some pretty radical "changes" in the few months following 
1.2.0, so hopefully we'll see the majority of users using the stable build.

I would like to keep the 3.2 fragment and any notes related to it handy 
though... while I appreciate what people are saying about 3.2 being old, 
from what we see in IRC, it is a widely used build; and there are users 
who are quite happy with 3.2.  I personally think it's a case of the 
"tail wagging to dog" for a plugin to force you to update your 
environment... that sounds like something a business driven model would 
do.  I also understand the point that the Eclipse project deems 3.2 to 
be "old news", but if PHPEclipse's visions were parallel to that of the 
Eclipse Foundation, we'd all have joined the PDT project long ago.

So let's not overlook the fact that we have a solution which we can 
"roll by hand" for the time being; and if we continue to see this as an 
issue as we approach future milestones, maybe it can be re-addressed 
then.  I'd be happy to pickup Mr Mann's efforts at some point, should 
the need arise.

Perhaps we could consider adding an "opt-in" anonymous usage statistics 
feature... something which reported a handful of platform and version 
number details on startup.  In future, that would give us *some* idea of 
the builds in the wild and the platforms actively in use.  Although, I 
think said feature would be even better in the Eclipse core.

I think this is awesome progress... great work Mr Mann!

Mike.

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