RE: Siderean patents faceted navigation
"Roy Roebuck" <[email protected]> Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:13:04 -0500
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--zGYOQ-HD8oUYaf9cg7omvEVJQF9BVgyKcCYe2cR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: I also have my own "prior art" for faceted navigation, described in slides 12, 14, 16, 31-39, 41, 43-58 at http://www.one-world-is.com/rer/owis/dem. I had first documented this design in my graduate school during 81-85 (yes, that's several years prior to John Zachman's EA Framework), in the US Army Europe Suggestion Program in 88, 89, 91, and 92, online in early web-fora from 92 till 94, in the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) Suggestion in 1992, and I published all of my material on my one-world-is.com web site beginning in December 94. I have since used the approach supporting several Defense, Civil Government, and commercial clients. I built a multidimensional-navigation enterprise management system called TAPES (Total Architecture, Plans, and Execution System) between 89 and 92 while serving as Lead Information Engineer (i.e., Enterprise Architect) for USAREUR, and submitted it into the Army as a functional requirement for a dynamic enterprise resource management system (which was accepted as a standard Army sustaining-base information system but was only partially built by my "clients" after I left Europe). I subsequently used this same faceted classification/navigation approach in a project where I was the Chief Enterprise Architect for a White House project to build a continuity-communication enterprise architecture for the Federal Executive Branch, which is languishing because of power-sharing issues and fear of managed-accountability for those Agencies whose enterprise architectures must be integrated, and therefore constrained, by a higher level Branch-continuity architecture. I have filed for my own patent based on new "integrated intelligence and operations management" designs (i.e., concepts, methodologies, metaschema, supporting-technology-specification, implementation plans, operational procedures) further enhancing and expanding my previous enterprise (i.e., purposeful human endeavor) management design. By the way, as a non-profit, I'm always seeking contributions and grants to help me further this one-world-enterprise-management-information-system effort. Roy Roebuck Director One World Information System, An Educational Non-Profit Organization http://www.one-world-is.com <http://www.one-world-is.com/> The General Enterprise Management (GEM) approach to human interoperability: http://www.one-world-is.com/beam Mobile: +1 (703)-598-2351 Skype ID: roy.roebuck SkypeIn #: (703) 349-0475 SMS: [email protected] MS IM: [email protected] FreeBusy: http://www.one-world-is.com/freebusy/roebuckr/roebuckr.vfb <http://www.one-world-is.com/freebusy/roebuckr/roebuckr.htm> _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dale Mead Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [facetedclassification] Siderean patents faceted navigation I only took a quick look at the patent, but it would appear that the press release claims might be somewhat broader than the actual claims of the patent. There is no question that the whole area of intellectual property is in need of some major change. I think that the biggest issue is that there is money (and, therefore, campaign dollars and funds for lobbyists) in protecting IP, but not so much in providing a workable system. Big companies patent everything in sight, not only to provide ground for suit (Alcatel, having bought Lucent last month is now trying to enforce old Bell Labs patents on MP3), but also to provide negotiating positions if they get sued ("Yes, we are violating your patents, but you are violating ours too!"). Small companies are at a disadvantage in this (as are big companies when the plaintiff is simply a patent holding company). As to navigation systems (faceted or otherwise): A patent can be destroyed by showing that it is prior art. Faceted classification, generally, predates the date of application of this patent. Many of the big research companies (IBM, Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, etc) engage in a practice of "defensive publication." That is, after they determine that they do not want to patent something, they publish the details of the idea in a industry forum or, often, a public company technical journal (that they control for this purpose). This prevents someone later from hitting them with a patent over something that they themselves had invented earlier. I once was involved in a multi-billion dollar suit regarding an alleged patent over the concept of a computer "file system." The patent was applied for in the 1960's, but not granted until the '90's (known as a "submarine patent"). Turns out that IBM did a defensive publication of the idea of a file system in 1956. The suit went away. A generalized patent claim regarding faceted classification applied for in the timeframe of this patent will run into prior art/defensive publication issues. I haven't been tracking the work of other people, but I, myself, presented on user experience, process, and data modeling aspects of faceted navigation in three published conferences in 2000-2001. Prior to that, Apple's Advanced Technology Group, published a lot of material on faceting and navigation through information spaces in conjunction with "Hot Sauce" and the MCF (?, from memory) specification that later gave rise to RDF. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --zGYOQ-HD8oUYaf9cg7omvEVJQF9BVgyKcCYe2cR Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <!-- Network content --> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>Hi:<br> <br> I also have my own "prior art" for faceted navigation, described in slides<br> 12, 14, 16, 31-39, 41, 43-58 at <a href="http://www.one-world-is.com/rer/owis/dem.">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com/rer/owis/<wbr>dem.</a> I<br> had first documented this design in my graduate school during 81-85 (yes,<br> that's several years prior to John Zachman's EA Framework), in the US Army<br> Europe Suggestion Program in 88, 89, 91, and 92, online in early web-fora<br> from 92 till 94, in the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) Suggestion<br> in 1992, and I published all of my material on my one-world-is.<wbr>com web site<br> beginning in December 94. I have since used the approach supporting several<br> Defense, Civil Government, and commercial clients. I built a<br> multidimensional-<wbr>navigation enterprise management system called TAPES (Total<br> Architecture, Plans, and Execution System) between 89 and 92 while serving<br> as Lead Information Engineer (i.e., Enterprise Architect) for USAREUR, and<br> submitted it into the Army as a functional requirement for a dynamic<br> enterprise resource management system (which was accepted as a standard Army<br> sustaining-base information system but was only partially built by my<br> "clients" after I left Europe).<br> <br> I subsequently used this same faceted classification/<wbr>navigation approach in<br> a project where I was the Chief Enterprise Architect for a White House<br> project to build a continuity-communic<wbr>ation enterprise architecture for the<br> Federal Executive Branch, which is languishing because of power-sharing<br> issues and fear of managed-accountabil<wbr>ity for those Agencies whose<br> enterprise architectures must be integrated, and therefore constrained, by a<br> higher level Branch-continuity architecture.<br> <br> I have filed for my own patent based on new "integrated intelligence and<br> operations management" designs (i.e., concepts, methodologies, metaschema,<br> supporting-technolo<wbr>gy-specification<wbr>, implementation plans, operational<br> procedures) further enhancing and expanding my previous enterprise (i.e.,<br> purposeful human endeavor) management design.<br> <br> By the way, as a non-profit, I'm always seeking contributions and grants to<br> help me further this one-world-enterpris<wbr>e-management-<wbr>information-<wbr>system<br> effort.<br> <br> Roy Roebuck<br> <br> Director<br> <br> One World Information System, An Educational Non-Profit Organization<br> <br> <a href="http://www.one-world-is.com">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com</a> <<a href="http://www.one-world-is.com/">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com/</a>> <br> <br> The General Enterprise Management (GEM) approach to human interoperability:<br> <a href="http://www.one-world-is.com/beam">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com/beam</a><br> <br> Mobile: +1 (703)-598-2351<br> <br> Skype ID: roy.roebuck<br> <br> SkypeIn #: (703) 349-0475<br> <br> SMS: <a href="mailto:7035982351%40messaging.sprintpcs.com">7035982351@messagin<wbr>g.sprintpcs.<wbr>com</a> <br> <br> MS IM: <a href="mailto:roy%40one-world-is.com">roy@one-world-<wbr>is.com</a><br> <br> FreeBusy: <a href="http://www.one-world-is.com/freebusy/roebuckr/roebuckr.vfb">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com/freebusy/<wbr>roebuckr/<wbr>roebuckr.<wbr>vfb</a><br> <<a href="http://www.one-world-is.com/freebusy/roebuckr/roebuckr.htm">http://www.one-<wbr>world-is.<wbr>com/freebusy/<wbr>roebuckr/<wbr>roebuckr.<wbr>htm</a>> <br> <br> _____ <br> <br> From: <a href="mailto:facetedclassification%40yahoogroups.com">facetedclassificati<wbr>on@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:facetedclassification%40yahoogroups.com">facetedclassificati<wbr>on@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>] On Behalf Of Dale Mead<br> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:56 AM<br> To: <a href="mailto:facetedclassification%40yahoogroups.com">facetedclassificati<wbr>on@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br> Subject: RE: [facetedclassificat<wbr>ion] Siderean patents faceted navigation<br> <br> I only took a quick look at the patent, but it would appear that the<br> press release claims might be somewhat broader than the actual claims of<br> the patent.<br> <br> There is no question that the whole area of intellectual property is in<br> need of some major change. I think that the biggest issue is that there<br> is money (and, therefore, campaign dollars and funds for lobbyists) in<br> protecting IP, but not so much in providing a workable system. Big<br> companies patent everything in sight, not only to provide ground for<br> suit (Alcatel, having bought Lucent last month is now trying to enforce<br> old Bell Labs patents on MP3), but also to provide negotiating positions<br> if they get sued ("Yes, we are violating your patents, but you are<br> violating ours too!"). Small companies are at a disadvantage in this<br> (as are big companies when the plaintiff is simply a patent holding<br> company).<br> <br> As to navigation systems (faceted or otherwise): A patent can be<br> destroyed by showing that it is prior art. Faceted classification,<br> generally, predates the date of application of this patent. Many of the<br> big research companies (IBM, Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, etc) engage in a<br> practice of "defensive publication.<wbr>" That is, after they determine that<br> they do not want to patent something, they publish the details of the<br> idea in a industry forum or, often, a public company technical journal<br> (that they control for this purpose). This prevents someone later from<br> hitting them with a patent over something that they themselves had<br> invented earlier. I once was involved in a multi-billion dollar suit<br> regarding an alleged patent over the concept of a computer "file<br> system." The patent was applied for in the 1960's, but not granted<br> until the '90's (known as a "submarine patent"). Turns out that IBM did<br> a defensive publication of the idea of a file system in 1956. The suit<br> went away. A generalized patent claim regarding faceted classification<br> applied for in the timeframe of this patent will run into prior<br> art/defensive publication issues. I haven't been tracking the work of<br> other people, but I, myself, presented on user experience, process, and<br> data modeling aspects of faceted navigation in three published<br> conferences in 2000-2001. Prior to that, Apple's Advanced Technology<br> Group, published a lot of material on faceting and navigation through<br> information spaces in conjunction with "Hot Sauce" and the MCF (?, from<br> memory) specification that later gave rise to RDF.<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/message/574;_ylc=X3oDMTMyMzU4Y2x0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BG1zZ0lkAzU4MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjEEdHBjSWQDNTc0"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">7</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvM3FlOWxuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BG1zZ0lkAzU4MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjE-?act=reply&messageNum=580"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlc2d2ZmtmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE3MDQ2ODg2MQ--" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWxxYjlvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE3MDQ2ODg2MQ--">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbXFjcWYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVzBHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjE-">Files</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZmZtMXFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3QEc3RpbWUDMTE3MDQ2ODg2MQ--">Photos</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbHA1OTdzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjE-">Links</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjc2tzaW9kBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjE-">Database</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdWdqajFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzExNzA0Njg4NjE-">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMXFpaXNiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE3MDQ2ODg2MQ--">Members</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/facetedclassification/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOHVobjE5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2NhbARzdGltZQMxMTcwNDY4ODYx">Calendar</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- Do not have place to put it yet --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOTVtOGQzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg4MzkyOTkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjM5MTU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMTcwNDY4ODYx"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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