Re: Proposal for a Mini Slow Read -- Kaina Stoich eia❢

Peircers,

By way of additional context, skimming a few of my Commentary Notes from 2005
suggests that Kaina Stoicheia may have come up on that occasion in connection
with questions about "genuine signs", "pure symbols", "utter indetermination",
and other critical terms in Peirce's work.  Earlier citations of New Elements
go back to the period May–August 2005.

Cf: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/003066.html

Copied below --

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KS.  Commentary Note 1

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Peirce List,

Here's one for all you Neo-Plots out there.
Rummaging about the web I find that the phrase
"Utter Indetermination" appears in the Enneads:

| Everything the Soul engenders down to this point comes into being shapeless,
| and takes form by orientation towards its author and supporter:  therefore
| the thing engendered on the further side can be no image of the Soul,
| since it is not even alive;  it must be an utter Indetermination.
|
| http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/plotenn/enn214.htm

Pretty scary ...

As I suspected, we'll probably end up hashing out the whole
KS/NE paper before we can get a clue what it's talking about.
Here's a sample of some previous encounters:

QUAGS.  Questions About Genuine Signs

00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/thread.html#2658
00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/thread.html#2926

01.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002658.html
02.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002659.html
03.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002662.html
04.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002926.html

QUAGS.  Questions About Genuine Signs -- Commentary

00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/thread.html#2923
01.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002923.html
02.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002929.html
03.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002930.html
04.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002931.html
05.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002932.html

QUAGS.  Questions About Genuine Signs -- Discussion

00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/thread.html#2663
01.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002663.html
02.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002664.html
03.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002665.html
04.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002666.html
05.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002668.html
06.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002669.html
07.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002670.html

QUIPS.  Questions Involving Pure Symbols -- Discussion

00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/thread.html#2602
00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-June/thread.html#2766
00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-July/thread.html#2866
00.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/thread.html#2927
24.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-May/002690.html
74.  http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-August/002927.html

It looks like this'll be one of those "eternal return" type questions.
I just hope it won't be one of those "eternal repetition" type issues.

Jon Awbrey

Jon Awbrey wrote:
> Peircers,
> 
> I do not know if the old Lyris archives of the Peirce List
> are still available, but I do have links to the posts that
> I copied to the Arisbe and Inquiry Lists during the discussion
> of Kaina Stoicheia or New Elements that preceded Joe Ransdell's
> revival of the topic in January of 2006, at this point in Gmane:
> 
> • http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/27
> 
> Cf. http://mywikibiz.com/Talk:Kaina_Stoicheia
> 
> Copied here:
> 
> ==List Discussions==
> 
> ===Inquiry List (Sep 2005 – Feb 2006)===
> 
> ====Inquiry List : C.S. Peirce, Kaina Stoicheia (1904)====
> 
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/thread.html#3063
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/thread.html#3075
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/thread.html#3183
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/thread.html#3274
> 
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/003063.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/003065.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003075.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003090.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003183.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003186.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003187.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003189.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003190.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003207.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003208.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003222.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003253.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003261.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003264.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003265.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003274.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003277.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003278.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003279.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003283.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003359.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003360.html
> 
> ====Inquiry List : Commentary (Sep 2005 – Feb 2006)====
> 
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/thread.html#3066
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/thread.html#3070
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/thread.html#3263
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/thread.html#3276
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2006-February/thread.html#3366
> 
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/003066.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-September/003067.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003070.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003071.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003073.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003074.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003087.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003091.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-October/003117.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003263.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-November/003269.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003276.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2006-February/003366.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2006-February/003367.html
> 
> ====Inquiry List : Discussion (Dec 2005)====
> 
> * http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/thread.html#3272
> 
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003272.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003282.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003296.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003297.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003298.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003299.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003300.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003301.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003302.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003303.html
> # http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/2005-December/003304.html
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jon

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