Re: PMC votes ( Re: [Vote] Phoenix 4.0.3 release.)

Berin Loritsch wrote:

>>From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[email protected]]
>>
>>If you want something to be considered as ratified by the PMC 
>>then the 
>>PMC have to vote on it on the PMC list - otherwise its not a 
>>PMC vote. 
>> Its not a secrecy issue - its a procedural point. If a PMC member is 
>>subscribed to the PMC list and active and attentive to PMC issues - 
>>there is nothing that states that the member must also follow 
>>day to day 
>>procedings on the dev list.  Secondly, a PMC member has to right to 
>>voice a different opinion as a PMC member as compared with 
>>their role as 
>>a committer.  I really does not matter if that makes sence or 
>>not - what 
>>matters is that a PMC member has responsibilites over and above a 
>>committer - and those responsibiliites may result in a 
>>different opinions.
>>    
>>
>
>Huh?
>
>You lost me Steve.  I personally don't think that releases should
>be decided on the PMC list.  A release is something we all should
>be excited about, and support.  That's the community side of me
>speaking.
>
>I don't recall seeing anything in writing that explicitly stated
>that all releases have to be decided on the PMC list.  If it is
>stated that way in the Apache Bylaws, then that is something the
>PMC needs to take up with the board so that we can that question
>resolved.  I seriously doubt that *all* PMC decisions have to
>reside on the PMC list.
>
>  
>

The board is reasonably clear about the fact that it increases its 
exposure at the point of release of a product.  For a release to occur, 
the board needs notification of this by the PMC Chair.  The question is 
- is a vote of the committers on a product release binding on the Chair 
 to notify the board, and is the Chair's notification on a non-PMC 
decision binding on the Board.  My impression is after reading a bunch 
of really dull stuff is that it isn't - bacause the Board only 
recognizes the PMC and the PMC Chair. I.e. if your want recognition of 
liability by Apache - you have to push this up from the committer 
community to the PMC to the Board.


>>Please don't interprit this as Steve saying he will vote different on 
>>the PMC list as compared to the committer list - all I'm 
>>saying is that 
>>if your going to do something - di it properly based on the structure 
>>that has been put in place.
>>    
>>
>
>We only agreed on how to agree.  We didn't outline any procedures
>that are adopted by the community on how releases work.  Perhaps we
>need to address that.
>

Yep - I agree that this should be addessed - maybe January ?

Cheers, Steve.

(who is completely familiar with the process of voting for the same 
thing at different levels in order to move something up and out the door)

SJM

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