Re: Example "closed" site

Hello Stephen,

I know that I speak not only on behalf of a large part of the user and 
development communities surrounding the avalon project, but also on 
behalf of a large part of the surrounding wider ASF community when I say 
I fully support the direction in which Aaron and the Avalon PMC are 
currently taking this project.

Going a step further than that, I am certainly not the only one who 
thinks Aaron has been handling a very difficult situation commendably well.

I'm confident that these two statements, together with the information 
provided at the URL that Aaron just provided, should alleviate the 
concerns expressed in your message below.


best regards,


Leo Simons


Stephen McConnell wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:[email protected]]
>>Sent: 01 November 2004 19:40
>>To: 'Avalon Developers List'
>>Subject: RE: Example "closed" site
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Farr, Aaron [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>
>>>>I uploaded a simple example of an "Avalon is Closed" notice at:
>>>>
>>>>http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html
>>>
>>>Just out of curiosity - on what basis is this taken:
>>>
>>>  1. a directive from the Board?
>>>  2. a directive from the Avalon PMC?
>>>  3. you own initiative?
>>>
>>>If this is a directive from either the Board or the Avalon PMC I
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> would
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>>>be interested in seeing the supporting documentation.
>>
>>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=109868104914743&w=2
>>
>>This was based on:
>>
>>1. Directive from the Board which you received and was sent out after
> 
> the
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>>September Board meeting.
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> There was no 'directive'.  There was an opinion expressed by one member
> of the board - and as far as I understand the Apache Board hasn't rolled
> over and died just yet.
> 
> 
>>2. Discussions and votes on the Avalon PMC list.
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> Can you please post the vote results.
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>>3. Avalon PMC October Board report which was published on the PMC
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> list.  I
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>>can re-publish this to the dev list if you would like.
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> I would be interesting in seeing this together with the endorsement of
> the report by the PMC members.
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>>4. Responses from the Board members to the #3 report.
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> Please provide this as well.
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>>I'd like to point out that I've been notifying the user, dev, and PMC
>>lists about closing Avalon since Oct 4 [1] and there have been no
>>objections nor any alternative solutions presented by the community.
> 
> 
> I do hope that this is not a case of people simply ignoring your point
> of view, however, I haven't seen any indications of support for your
> recent posts from either the development or user communities.  More
> importantly - there are hundreds of users of the Avalon platform and
> those hundreds of users are not going to disappear just like that.  You
> and the Board may choose to ignore the user community - but please note
> that this would not be a position that I would endorse.  
> 
> Migration will take time and effort and I expect the ASF to act
> responsibly in this matter and do everything they can to support our
> users.
> 
> Stephen.