Re: [PROPOSAL] lifecycle release

On Thursday 20 March 2003 16:28, Peter Donald wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:14, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Also, if you are requiring me to have dedicated Ant tasks (not everyb=
ody
> > builds with Ant (strangely enough)) to be used when I develop my Aval=
on
> > blocks/components, then you ARE raising the bar significantly.
>
> whether it is ant tasks, commandline tools or maven plugins most people=
 use
> tools of one sort or another so I don't see that as a major barrier of
> entry. In JDK1.5 it will be part of javac so then there will be 0 chang=
es.

Maybe you are more dense than I thought.=20
_I_ am  saying that _I_ am shying away from projects (including EJB ;o) )=
 that=20
are adding tools, concepts, quirks, you name it, not part of my standard=20
"toolkit". _My_ toolkit is very small, KISS.

Every project, looked at only from the perspective of such project, have =
a=20
list of "Because..." a particular "oddity" should come to life and it is=20
often hard to come up with counter-argument.
The members of such project are so "self-occupied" (not trying to be rude=
,=20
just don't have a better word at the moment ) that they don't see the "bi=
gger=20
picture".

_My_ bigegr picture is that _I_ am writing code utilizing/interfacing wit=
h;

* UML
* EJB
* Kodo
* Servlets
* Netbeans
* Avalon
* Cocoon
* Batik
* kXML-RPC
* jUnit
* Log4J
* (possibly forgot some)

Do you really think I wouldn't mind having one extra tool for each of tho=
se?
(I'm sure that other "commercial" developers has lists just as long or=20
longer.)

There is also a difference between the "project requires" (and comes with=
) a=20
tool to build the distro, vs forcing upon me tools, to be able to develop=
=20
against that project. Netbeans for instance has several (never bother to=20
check how many) Ant tasks part of its build process, but I don't need the=
m to=20
make _my_ things work, and they are not part of _my_ build process.

Finally, your assumption that JSR-175 will be included in JSR-176 is perh=
aps a=20
bit pre-mature. JSR-176 sure lists itself as targetting Tiger, but JSR-17=
6=20
doesn't list 175.
Also, the @ use has not been specified as an "absolute" and the JSR is to=
=20
investigate the options available.


An extremely self-centered, self-occupied PITA Avaloner, who doesn't=20
understand complex stuff, is signing-off ;o)

Enjoy life !!!

Niclas