Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

On Nov 18, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>
>> But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta...
>>
>
> Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase*

I don't think that anyone confused codebase and committer.  I thought  
that many of the ant committers had much influence in what followed,  
since ant was one of the early arrivals in Jakarta as it was the build  
system for tomcat...  therefore the linkages are meaningful, IMO.

I think that the jakarta node represents meaningful information.

For example, Velocity came from core Turbine people, and you can't get  
any sense of that from the Jakarta-free graph.  Maybe that's the  
problem - that history isn't represented in current committer lists,  
and thus when you drop Jakarta, information is lost.

>
> cross-polination (as I understand it)... So yes, since most
> committers for most ASF java projects were in Jakarta (since
> those projects were *in* Jakarta, after all), I still think
> that the non-Jakarta page provides a more accurate representation
> of the "real" dynamics, by removing the artifical aspects of
> Jakarta.

I guess it comes down to what Jukka's trying to show....


geir