java is a bloated mess

[ 
  In the spirit of keeping the chatter up so that we'll all feel
  enthusiastic about moving to _the_new_forum_
]


I'd like to know to what extent people agree with the following
assertions:

- Java is a bloated mess

- Java is a bloated mess because it has divorced itself from the
  operating system


-- 
Nic Ferrier
http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk


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