Re: java is a bloated mess

Nic Ferrier wrote:

>Robert Young <[email protected]> writes:
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>>it's a bloated mess because it abandoned The OO Priniciple:  an object has
>>capabilities.  the BeanBox and Beans turned it into struct(s) with
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>That's an interesting view. Could you expand on it?
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well, there's Allen Holub's "Bank of Allen" demonstration.  either on
javaworld or developerworks.  years ago.  i guess it's still linked from
his site.

if you look at OO stuff pre-BeanBox, design meant verb oriented methods,
and not passive objects.  since then, it's all get/set.

struts is a prime example of 'action' objects and 'data' objects.  it passes
for OO, but it ain't.

not that there's much chance of righting the ship.  the Bean paradigm 
accretes
lots of liguine.  most java folk don't know any better; they came to the
language after the switch.

by the bye,  Arnold and Stroustrop have voiced similar misgivings.  probably
too late.

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>>i await the new_forum.  i have enough viagra.
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>Shurely you can never have enough viagra. Where else do you hang your
>washing to dry?
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>Oh dear. I've frightened myself with that image. Apologies.
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