Re: Project Status?

Any thoughts on incremental compilation?  I've been looking into 
various JVM systems as well as BeanShell (which I LOVE) .. mainly 
Jython and PNuts.  Typically I try to use the shells as access to high 
performance libraries, so the performance of the shells is less 
important.  There is one exception, however: loops!  I tried a few 
million call loops in the various systems and certainly the incremental 
compilation helps.  Also "extensions" like forall help too.

I suspect JDK 1.5 may make a difference too.  Possibly improvements 
there may make loop constructs in BeanShell faster.

Any specifics on the JCP for scripting?  I know Sun is very interested 
in making Java more "approachable" by non systems level programmers.  
Making a shell that was much less verbose, including the "forall" 
construct would be really wonderful.  Possibly a VisualJava like 
VisualBasic.

Owen

PS: I wrote a brief "Java Shell" O'Reilly blog:
	http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4188

On Jan 19, 2004, at 6:53 PM, Pat wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:45:53PM -0500, David Fogel wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in getting a better understanding of the current status
>> and future roadmap of the BeanShell project.  Both the website and the
>
> Hi David,
>
> The BeanShell project has been in a bit of a lull since the 2.0 beta 
> release a
> few months ago.  You are correct that the project does tend to block 
> on me and
> that is something I hope to finally address this year.
>
> Let me tell you what's up at the moment.
>
> I am currently participating and representing BeanShell in the expert 
> group
> for JSR-223, the javax.script API for the Java Community Process.  
> That is
> going well and is very interesting.  I have also submitted a proposal 
> for a
> BeanShell talk at this year's JavaOne conference.  If that gets picked 
> up I
> hope I can get many of you to attend.  Finally, I am fishing around a 
> proposal
> for a BeanShell book, which I'd like to do soon.
>
> I am getting feedback on the 2.0 beta and hope to have a final release 
> by this
> summer...  certainly if we have a JavaOne talk.
>
> To try to correct the blockage problem and allow for more neat stuff 
> to appear
> faster I have been considering creating a "sandbox" version of 
> BeanShell and
> giving a wide group of developers access to commit to it in CVS...  
> There we
> could try out new stuff and see how it goes.
>
> I am not sure if my emphasis on keeping BeanShell small and up to some
> arbitrary measure of tidiness has been the best thing for it.  I hope 
> to gauge
> interest from the JCP and the BeanShell community this year and find 
> the best
> path to keep BeanShell growing.
>
> Of course everything will remain open and hopefully keep improving.
>
> I think given our track record (BeanShell has been around since 1997) 
> we can
> say for certain that BeanShell is here to stay...  It's just a matter 
> of how
> fast we can improve it in the future.
>
>
> thanks,
> Pat
>
>
>
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