Re: [Beanshell-dev] The sad state of Javascripting
"David A. Lee" <[email protected]> Tue, 1 May 2007 15:12:06 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0367391197== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C78C03.14B33D70" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C78C03.14B33D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lets hope that when 3.0 comes out it wont *have* these bugs. And if it does, and if the fixes cant or wont be integrated, the lets = hope authors will be more open to fixing bugs in 3.0 then in 2.0. This is why I suggest a "bug fix only" fork ...=20 Time will only tell if people prefer an active 2.0 branch or a future = 3.0 branch. I certianly would prefer a carefully managed 2.0 bug fix branch now over = a 3.0 branch sometime in the future. I'm also concerned about the impact of the hinted "refactoring" in the = 3.0 branch ... how much of a hit will existing code take ?=20 I dont know ... maybe too much to move onto 3.0 for a long time after = its out. My experience with similar projects is that sometimes people actually = prefer the "N" branch over the "N+1" branch for exactly these reasons = ... so 2.0 and 3.0 may very well diverge ... which isnt a horrible thing = necessarily. All depends on what your goals are. Maybe at some point it will be clearer if 3.0 will want to catch up with = the 2.0 branch or go its seperate way. Possibly at that point it might = be a good idea to re-examine what the goals are of this fork ...=20 But for now, in the near future (say 1 year out ...) I see a huge = advantage in getting a 2.0 fork which has some active bug fixing. I certianly would jump on it, and help with it. Providing the goal (for = now) is stability and fixes and there was some infrastructure in place = to test fixes before they were commited. I dont know the state of unit = test for BeanShell ...=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alexey Zinger=20 To: beanshell-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org=20 Cc: beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Beanshell-dev] [Beanshell-users] The sad state of = Javascripting I agree in principle, but I wonder what the likelihood of these fixes = not being easily integratable into the 3.0 release will be... "David A. Lee" <[email protected]> wrote: I vote "yes", although I would suggest we keep this fork a "bug fix = only"=20 fork in the hopes that the fixes may someday be incorporated back = into the=20 mainline. If we start adding feature enhacements mixed in with bug fixes, or = start=20 doing 'gratuitius fixes' then we will likely be locked into a dead = end. I volunteer to help. < this is just an oppinion ... I dont have the "right" to vote ... = anymore=20 then anyone who is "just a user"> -David Lee ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "fschmidt"=20 To:=20 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Beanshell-users] The sad state of Java scripting > > Would anyone object to me forking BeanShell? > > --=20 > View this message in context:=20 > = http://www.nabble.com/The-sad-state-of-Java-scripting-tf3664576.html#a102= 64126 > Sent from the BeanShell - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. 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Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Beanshell-developers mailing list Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/beanshell-developers Alexey 2001 Honda CBR600F4i (CCS) 1992 Kawasaki EX500 http://azinger.blogspot.com http://bsheet.sourceforge.net http://wcollage.sourceforge.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Beanshell-developers mailing list Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/beanshell-developers ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C78C03.14B33D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Lets hope that when 3.0 comes out it wont *have* = these=20 bugs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>And if it does, and if the fixes cant = or wont be=20 integrated, the lets hope authors will be more open to fixing bugs = in 3.0=20 then in 2.0.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>This is why I suggest a "bug fix only" fork ... = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Time will only tell if people prefer an active 2.0 = branch or a=20 future 3.0 branch.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I certianly would prefer a carefully managed 2.0 bug = fix=20 branch now over a 3.0 branch sometime in the future.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm also concerned about the impact of the hinted=20 "refactoring" in the 3.0 branch ... how much of a hit will existing code = take ?=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I dont know ... maybe too much to move onto 3.0 for = a long=20 time after its out.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>My experience with similar projects is that = sometimes people=20 actually prefer the "N" branch over the "N+1" branch for exactly these = reasons=20 ... so 2.0 and 3.0 may very well diverge ... which isnt a horrible thing = necessarily. All depends on what your goals = are.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Maybe at some point it will be clearer if 3.0 will = want to=20 catch up with the 2.0 branch or go its seperate way. = Possibly at=20 that point it might be a good idea to re-examine what the goals are of = this fork=20 ... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>But for now, in the near future (say 1 year out ...) = I see a=20 huge advantage in getting a 2.0 fork which has some active bug=20 fixing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I certianly would jump on it, and help with = it. =20 Providing the goal (for now) is stability and fixes and there was some=20 infrastructure in place to test fixes before they were commited. I = dont=20 know the state of unit test for BeanShell ... </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dinline_four-/[email protected] = href=3D"mailto:inline_four-/[email protected]">Alexey=20 Zinger</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dbeanshell-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org=20 = href=3D"mailto:beanshell-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org">beanshell-users@lis= ts.sourceforge.net</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dbeanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org=20 = href=3D"mailto:beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org">beanshell-deve= [email protected]</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 01, 2007 = 3:05 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Beanshell-dev]=20 [Beanshell-users] The sad state of Javascripting</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I agree in principle, but I wonder what the likelihood = of these=20 fixes not being easily integratable into the 3.0 release will=20 be...<BR><BR><B><I>"David A. Lee" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>></I></B> = wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">I=20 vote "yes", although I would suggest we keep this fork a "bug fix = only"=20 <BR>fork in the hopes that the fixes may someday be incorporated = back into=20 the <BR>mainline.<BR>If we start adding feature enhacements mixed in = with=20 bug fixes, or start <BR>doing 'gratuitius fixes' then we will likely = be=20 locked into a dead end.<BR>I volunteer to help.<BR><BR>< this is = just an=20 oppinion ... I dont have the "right" to vote ... anymore <BR>then = anyone who=20 is "just a user"><BR><BR>-David Lee<BR><BR><BR>----- Original = Message=20 ----- <BR>From: "fschmidt" <[email protected]><BR>To:=20 <BEANSHELL-USERS-jEwL0F8OQBPYuXo5jQzoGqHwyWdF0H6P@public.gmane.org><BR>Sent: Monday, April 30, = 2007=20 10:23 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Beanshell-users] The sad state of Java=20 scripting<BR><BR><BR>><BR>> Would anyone object to me forking=20 BeanShell?<BR>><BR>> -- <BR>> View this message in context: = <BR>>=20 = http://www.nabble.com/The-sad-state-of-Java-scripting-tf3664576.html#a102= 64126<BR>>=20 Sent from the BeanShell - User mailing list archive at=20 Nabble.com.<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= <BR>>=20 This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express<BR>> Download DB2 = Express C=20 - the FREE version of DB2 express and take<BR>> control of your = XML. No=20 limits. Just data. 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