Re: Status of project and adding 1.5 generics
"Brian Jewell" <[email protected]> Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:55:07 -0800
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5315786574069717995== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C959D3.741BF2D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C959D3.741BF2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, =20 Don=92t know if this has been previously mentioned on this email thread, = but check out the Pnuts interpreter as an alternative to BeanShell. =20 https://pnuts.dev.java.net/ =20 My company had the same problem with the lack of BeanShell support, and Pnuts served as a good replacement. =20 --Brian =20 _____ =20 From: C=E9dric CHAMPEAU [mailto:cedric.champeau-dnT4yAEydKHSUeElwK9/[email protected]]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:44 AM To: Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [Beanshell-dev] Status of project and adding 1.5 generics =20 I think you shoud reconsider Groovy : I've been using beanshell at once, = but found no advantage over Groovy when I discovered the last. You can write Groovy code (almost) just like if it was Java, but it really shows its = power when using the added features like closures. It's now fast, and I guess = it's one of (if not the) fastest scripting language for the Java platform. BTW, it has a very decent IDE support (I use IntelliJ IDEA, but there's = an Eclipse plugin too). Cedric Paul Reavis a =E9crit :=20 I guess the fundamental question I must answer for myself is whether the only thing holding BeanShell back is lack of active development, or = whether it's a deadend compared to Jython, JRuby, etc...=20 =20 I'm willing to provide the development or hosting but if it's going to become a backwater I'd probably still want to move. A big bonus for = Jython and JRuby is larger support network - books, IDE integration, training, = etc. =20 On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:01 AM, David A. Lee wrote: Mine as well. I use BeanShell in a production environment for years and = am also worried about its "support". Not that I'm expecting free labor, or even active development by = volunteers, but it is worrisome that known bugs or future bugs may bite me. I do have the source so I could fix things myself, but its a bit = unsettling. I like the idea of the beanshell2 fork on google, and have contibuted to = it in the past. But the goals of that branch differ from mine ... or atleast *may* = differ in the future. I dont want enhancements, or refactoring of the code, simply stability = and possible extreme bug fixes. But again, I'm not expecting someone else to do my job. But also I = dont want my job to be bug fixing an existing library either !:) =20 I'm considering shifting over to "pure java" by natively invoking the = javac compiler, loading the .class files and executing them with reflection. The syntax wont be as nice, and its a non-trivial job = to implement this, but in the long run it might be a better architecture then relying on an 'abandoned' platform no matter how good = that is. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Furash <mailto:[email protected]>=20 To: Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [Beanshell-dev] Status of project and adding 1.5 generics =20 Your experience. matches my own. Groovy became its own language. = Beanshell as really an ideal scripting language. We used it extensively at my old shop and it held up beautifully. Pat did a great job and then had to = move on for whatever reason. On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Paul Reavis <[email protected]> = wrote: On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Paul Landes wrote: > Is there anyone attached to beanshell for JDE critical functionality? > Again, I'm a huge fan of it, but not if it isn't maintained. We use it extensively at Partner Software. It's the primary scripting language for our platform (a sort of gis viewer on steroids with accompanying application server). I have been concerned about beanshell's lack of support for some time. We originally used Jython (back when it was the only scripting language for Java), then played with Groovy, and finally settled on BeanShell. My primary requirement was that it be more or less syntactically identical to Java, so that I could easily port code to and from Java, and so that people starting in scripting could migrate to "real" Java development without too much change shock. Jython was adrift for awhile but now seems actively maintained. I have no problem with Jython or Python per se but I find it difficult to go back and forth between it and Java - they are syntactically close enough to make it easy to screw up. I liked Groovy initially but it started wandering off weirdly for awhile, then they made the decision to make it very different from Java so I lost interest. I have cracked open the BeanShell code and fixed some of the issues. It's not terribly well written and has some modularity issues; I had to hack in some support for a sort of compile-once-run-often model to improve performance - our system tends to have lots of small scripts that get executed often. And as others have mentioned it would be nice to get 1.5 and 1.6 features in. I did add vararg support though it's not perfect. Nowadays there are any number of scripting languages one can code in; I've made the support in our platform modular so it supports bison, jython, jruby, beanshell, stringtemplate and pretty much any other implementation of the Java scripting framework or even custom ones if you can implement a simple interface. But I still like the idea of a very Java-like scripting language. Considering our investment in it so far, I would be willing to adopt the project and work on getting a new version out, especially with those fixes I feel need to be in there. I don't have tons of time, however, and I can't guarantee that I would push the code very aggressively. By and large it works well for us. My goals would be: 1) stability 2) performance 3) adherence to Java syntax wherever possible I am not at all interested in custom syntax, extension frameworks like Grails, etc. And with all due respect to Pat, I've always thought the name was silly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, = Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to = help pave the way to the Next Web now. 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color:windowtext'> C=E9dric CHAMPEAU = [mailto:cedric.champeau-dnT4yAEydKHSUeElwK9/[email protected]] <br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December = 09, 2008 6:44 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: = [Beanshell-dev] Status of project and adding 1.5 generics</span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I think you shoud reconsider Groovy : I've = been using beanshell at once, but found no advantage over Groovy when I discovered = the last. You can write Groovy code (almost) just like if it was Java, but = it really shows its power when using the added features like closures. It's = now fast, and I guess it's one of (if not the) fastest scripting language = for the Java platform.<br> <br> BTW, it has a very decent IDE support (I use IntelliJ IDEA, but there's = an Eclipse plugin too).<br> <br> Cedric<br> <br> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Paul</st1:PersonName> Reavis a = =E9crit : <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I guess the fundamental question I must = answer for myself is whether the only thing holding BeanShell back is lack of = active development, or whether it's a deadend compared to Jython, JRuby, etc... = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'm willing to provide the development or = hosting but if it's going to become a backwater I'd probably still want to move. A = big bonus for Jython and JRuby is larger support network - books, IDE = integration, training, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:01 AM, David A. Lee = wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <span style=3D'orphans: 2;widows: 2;word-spacing:0px'> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Mine as well. I = use BeanShell in a production environment for years and am also worried = about its "support".</span></font><font size=3D1 = face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Not that I'm expecting = free labor, or even active development by volunteers,</span></font><font = size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>but it is worrisome = that known bugs or future bugs may bite me.</span></font><font size=3D1 = face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I do have the source so = I could fix things myself, but its a bit unsettling.</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I like the idea of the beanshell2 fork on google, and have contibuted to it in the = past.</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>But the goals of that = branch differ from mine ... or atleast *may* differ in the = future.</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I dont want = enhancements, or refactoring of the code, simply stability and possible extreme bug = fixes.</span></font><font size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>But again, I'm not = expecting someone else to do my job. But also I dont want my job to be = bug fixing an existing library either !:)</span></font><font size=3D1 = face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>I'm considering = shifting over to "pure java" by natively invoking the javac compiler, loading = the .class files and executing them</span></font><font size=3D1 = face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>with = reflection. The syntax wont be as nice, and its a non-trivial job to implement this, but = in the long run it might be a better</span></font><font size=3D1 = face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>architecture then = relying on an 'abandoned' platform no matter how good that is.</span></font><font = size=3D1 face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></font>= </p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div style=3D'font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" title=3D"[email protected]" moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>Gary = Furash</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a href=3D"mailto:Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org" title=3D"Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org" = moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>Beanshell-developers-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org</a><o:p= ></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Tuesday, December 09, 2008 = 12:53 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></span><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Re: [Beanshell-dev] Status = of project and adding 1.5 generics<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p> </o:p></span><= /font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D1 = color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Your experience. matches my own. Groovy became its own language. Beanshell as really an ideal scripting language. We used it = extensively at my old shop and it held up beautifully. Pat did a great job and = then had to move on for whatever reason.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at = 6:51 PM, <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Paul</st1:PersonName> Reavis<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email protected]</a>><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font= ></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D1 = color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span = style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br> On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:42 PM, <st1:PersonName = w:st=3D"on">Paul</st1:PersonName> Landes wrote:<br> <br> > Is there anyone attached to beanshell for JDE critical = functionality?<br> > Again, I'm a huge fan of it, but not if it isn't = maintained.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>We use it extensively at = Partner Software. It's the primary scripting<br> language for our platform (a sort of gis viewer on steroids with<br> accompanying application server).<br> <br> I have been concerned about beanshell's lack of support for some = time.<br> We originally used Jython (back when it was the only scripting<br> language for Java), then played with Groovy, and finally settled on<br> BeanShell. My primary requirement was that it be more or less<br> syntactically identical to Java, so that I could easily port code to<br> and from Java, and so that people starting in scripting could = migrate<br> to "real" Java development without too much change shock.<br> <br> Jython was adrift for awhile but now seems actively maintained. I = have<br> no problem with Jython or Python per se but I find it difficult to = go<br> back and forth between it and Java - they are syntactically close<br> enough to make it easy to screw up.<br> <br> I liked Groovy initially but it started wandering off weirdly for<br> awhile, then they made the decision to make it very different from<br> Java so I lost interest.<br> <br> I have cracked open the BeanShell code and fixed some of the issues.<br> It's not terribly well written and has some modularity issues; I had<br> to hack in some support for a sort of compile-once-run-often model = to<br> improve performance - our system tends to have lots of small scripts<br> that get executed often. And as others have mentioned it would be = nice<br> to get 1.5 and 1.6 features in. I did add vararg support though it's<br> not perfect.<br> <br> Nowadays there are any number of scripting languages one can code = in;<br> I've made the support in our platform modular so it supports bison,<br> jython, jruby, beanshell, stringtemplate and pretty much any other<br> implementation of the Java scripting framework or even custom ones = if<br> you can implement a simple interface. But I still like the idea of a<br> very Java-like scripting language.<br> <br> Considering our investment in it so far, I would be willing to adopt<br> the project and work on getting a new version out, especially with<br> those fixes I feel need to be in there. I don't have tons of time,<br> however, and I can't guarantee that I would push the code very<br> aggressively. By and large it works well for us. My goals would be:<br> 1) stability<br> 2) performance<br> 3) adherence to Java syntax wherever possible<br> <br> I am not at all interested in custom syntax, extension frameworks = like<br> Grails, etc.<br> <br> And with all due respect to Pat, I've always thought the name was = silly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DHelvetica><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br> <br> <br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----<br> SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in <st1:place = w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Las Vegas</st1:City>, <st1:State = w:st=3D"on">Nevada</st1:State></st1:place>.<br> The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 = to help<br> pave the way to the Next Web now. 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