Re: K-mers

Hi Vishal,

There's no suffix tree impl in BioJava but if you want to give it a shot then go for it :). I'm interested in how they work but no time to implement it. As for efficiency give it a shot & lets see what it does. 

Andy

On 29 Oct 2010, at 17:27, Vishal Thapar wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> 
> This is good to have. I feel that including it as a part of core may not be necessary but having it as part of Genomic module in biojava3 will be nice. There is a project Bioinformatica http://code.google.com/p/bioformatica/source/browse/#svn/trunk/src/bioformatica/sequence which does something similar although not exactly. It counts the k-mers in a given fasta file but it does not count k-mers for each sequence within the file, just all within a file. This is a good feature to have specially if one is trying to find patterns within sequences which is what I am trying to do. It would most certainly be helpful to have a k-mer counting algorithm that counts k-mer frequency for each sequence. The way to go would be to use suffix trees. Again I don't know if biojava has a suffix tree api or 
 not since I haven't used java in a while and am just switching back to it. A paper on using suffix trees to generate genome wide k-mer frequencies is: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164!
 /9/517/abstract (kurtz et al, software is tallymer). It would be some work to implement this in java as a module for biojava3 but I can see that this will be helpful. Again, for small fasta files, it might not be efficient to create a suffix tree but for bigger files, I think that might be the way to go.
> 
> Thats just my two cents.What do you think?
> 
> -vishal
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Andy Yates <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Vishal,
> 
> As far as I am aware there is nothing which will generate them in BioJava at the moment. However it is possible to do it with BioJava3:
> 
> public static void main(String[] args) {
>    DNASequence d = new DNASequence("ATGATC");
>    System.out.println("Non-Overlap");
>    nonOverlap(d);
>    System.out.println("Overlap");
>    overlap(d);
> }
> 
> public static final int KMER = 3;
> 
> //Generate triplets overlapping
> public static void overlap(Sequence<NucleotideCompound> d) {
>    List<WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound>> l =
>            new ArrayList<WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound>>();
>    for(int i=1; i<=KMER; i++) {
>        SequenceView<NucleotideCompound> sub = d.getSubSequence(
>                i, d.getLength());
>        WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound> w =
>            new WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound>(sub, KMER);
>        l.add(w);
>    }
> 
>    //Will return ATG, ATC, TGA & GAT
>    for(WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound> w: l) {
>        for(List<NucleotideCompound> subList: w) {
>            System.out.println(subList);
>        }
>    }
> }
> 
> //Generate triplet Compound lists non-overlapping
> public static void nonOverlap(Sequence<NucleotideCompound> d) {
>    WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound> w =
>            new WindowedSequence<NucleotideCompound>(d, KMER);
>    //Will return ATG & ATC
>    for(List<NucleotideCompound> subList: w) {
>        System.out.println(subList);
>    }
> }
> 
> The disadvantage of all of these solutions is that they generate lists of Compounds so kmer generation can/will be a memory intensive operation. This does mean it has to be since sub sequences are thin wrappers around an underlying sequence. Also the overlap solution is non-optimal since it iterates through each window rather than stepping through delegating onto each base in turn (hence why we get ATG & ATC before TGA)
> 
> As for unique k-mers that's something which would require a bit more engineering & would be better suited to a solution built around a Trie (prefix tree).
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Andy
> 
> On 28 Oct 2010, at 18:40, Vishal Thapar wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I had a quick question: Does Biojava have a method to generate k-mers or
> > K-mer counting in a given Fasta Sequence / File? Basically, I want k-mer
> > counts for every sequence in a fasta file. If something like this exists it
> > would save me some time to write the code.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Vishal
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