Re: Re: AW: License proposal

Quoting Thorsten Möller <[email protected]>:

> Jacob Kjome <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >> With BSD, you basically have zero say in what happens to the code,
> >> downstream.
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Imagine a scenario where some company takes the Barracuda code, forks
> > it,
> With BSD there must always remain a copyright notice (and permission notice)
> in all(!) subsequent copies and versions.
> 
> > calls it "Subverta", markets the hell out of it, and it starts to
> > gain mindshare.  Now the Barracuda project is left holding the bag
> > because it is incompatible with the heavily marketed Subverta product
> > and who want to waste time with an incompatible version of a popular
> > software package?
> So what? It's not the problem in BSD license it's a question of what your
> project is. If a new project arises and its definitely better than Barracuda
> although it is derived from Barracuda then the Barracuda community had
> missed something which they should have done better. The better one should
> win. 

Who said "Subverta" was *better* than Barracuda?  I certainly didn't.  I said 
they "marketed the hell out of it".  Let's say it is much worse, but gains 
mindshare anyway simply becuause it is marketed.  This is not farfetched in the 
least as there are plenty of examples of this out there; Microsoft being the 
most obvious.  Barracuda could be marketed better, but that is not my main 
focus in the project.  Anyone want to volunteer to be a Barracuda evangelist?

> But how possible is a situation like that?

The fact that it can happen, in theory, is enough for me.

> Anyway, the BSD makes sure
> that you know where code originates from. And yes, the argument of sometimes
> hated Bill Gates is true here: many Open Source Licenses curb innovation.

How so?  How many times have you seen Barracuda developers rejecting valuable 
contributions, rejecting innovation?  Are you suggesting that Christian, Diez, 
me or Shawn are holding back innovation?  If so, then explain how.  If not, 
then you should think twice about making unsupported statements like this 
because it is just more Fud.

> 
> BSD is really the most open license. And as I recently told Christian: Less
> is more!
> 

BSD is an open source license.  LGPL is a free software license.  We have to 
decide if we want Barracuda to always be free and avoid subversion by any 
single party.  If this is not a goal, then BSD is fine.

Jake


> Regards,
> Thorsten
>