RE: Barracuda: JSP Support

Hi Ron,

From my perspective we want to do whatever possible to make it easy to move
from JSP to Barracuda; what exactly do you need?

> I personally MUCH prefer XMLC over JSPs, but if we could
> have used JSPs as templates we would have been able
> to build the app in Barracuda.

Couple of comments. First, there's nothing in Barracuda that prevents you
from using the event model in conjunction with JSPs...in other words, you
could right all your controller code using Java/Barracuda, and then forward
to a JSP that actually does the rendering. You should be able to do that
today without any changes (I think).

That said, I _don't_ think we can easily use JSPs with the Barracuda
component model. What you would have to do is
a) provide something that could load the JSPs into a DOM
b) you might need custom renderers for the JSP pages (not sure)
c) then you'd need something that would render that JSP dom back out to
markup

Of course I'm saying all this without understanding exactly what you're
after... ;-)

So let's talk about what you guys want/need...

Christian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Ron Alsobrook
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Barracuda: JSP Support
>
>
> Now that this has come up again, I'd like to add my experience
> and lobby for
> support of JSP templates in Barracuda.  We started building an app in
> Barracuda for one of our customers (Nike) but then had to convert it to
> servlets/JSPs because they didn't like the fact that XMLC
> templates don't get
> recompiled on the fly like JSPs do.  Now I know that XMLC has
> such a feature
> but since our customer within Nike runs JRun it wouldn't work
> (and we would
> have had to implement class loader stuff to fix it).  In
> addition, I doubt
> that would have pleased them very much because their entire team
> was used to
> Struts and JSPs, so we caved.  I personally MUCH prefer XMLC over
> JSPs, but
> if we could have used JSPs as templates we would have been able
> to build the
> app in Barracuda. (I think Tim D. had an experience like this
> with Nike too.)
> In any case, I think choice is generally a good thing and might
> also flatten
> the Barracuda learning curve a bit for new users.
>
> Kirk, I'd be more than happy to help you implement this if it
> gets the green
> light.  Thanks all.
>
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Daries
> Sent: Friday 13 December 2002 2:59 am
> Subject: Barracuda:  JSP Support
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Small question regarding JSP support in Barracuda.
> > My company is split into 2 divisions.
> >
> > One division uses Struts. The other Barracuda.
> > Needless to say...
> > My team is ~WAY~ more productive than the other team. ;)
> >
> > We've just received word that management would like to see 'the
> other team'
> > move
> > away from Struts and over to Barracuda. I've been speaking to one of
> > their developers and he was inquiring about intergrating the
> work that they
> > have already done into Barracuda. From what I understand.
> > He'd still like to use JSP pages instead of XMLC.
> >
> > I know that there have been a couple of posts about this.
> > And I vaguely remember Christian talking about the need to look into the
> > rendering package
> > to implement a JSP renderer for the BComponents, etc.
> >
> > Basically I'm asking this is planned for any time soon.
> > And if not. Where do I start coding! :D
> >
> > Regards
> > KD
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