Re: {Spam?} RE: {Spam?} Activities/Steps question

Greg,

thought about this some more while I was making dinner and seems like what 
you have observed below:

"However, when I call the createProcess() method, and interrogate the
WfProcess, it appears there is only one activity (and that one only
exists after the start() method has been called). 

Am I to assume there is no way to assign all of these activities to the
proper owner when the process is created and I must assign them as each
activity is completed?"

- this *has* to be the way Shark can handle it. This is due to the old 
question - how can I come up with all the activities? The simple answer: 
you can't. Your particular process is linear and we may think that Shark 
*ought to* be able to come up with all the activities, but this is the 
case only in this particular process definition, right? In general, given 
a process *instance* (which is what you have when you interrogate it), 
Shark can only know about the very next activity. It is possible that 
there are branches along the way later (which are dependant on data 
variables which Shark cannot know about now) and so Shark cannot possibly 
know what the activity isntances are other than the one after the current 
activity (only one in your case).. So I would assume that you would have 
to assign each activity to the proper owner only as each (previous) 
activity is completed. Which should not be a problem, right? You can just 
have data variables holding this info (about who owns what) which you can 
fill when the process is created and then consult them to assign the 
correct owner as you go along  ..Am i making sense?

Geeta




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I thought about this Geeta. 
 
For instance - for one type of record, GroupOne is assigned StepOne and 
GroupTwo is assigned StepTwo.
But, I also have instances where GroupThree is assigned StepOne and 
GroupTwo is assigned StepTwo.
And, of course, instances where GroupOne is assigned StepOne and 
GroupThree is assigned StepTwo.
 
I've got 500 different UserGroups as it is.  The number of existing 
permutations is quite large.  Right now, they're kept in a relational 
database table, keyed on the proper record attributes. 
 
 If I am thinking right, this means I would have to define a different 
process for each possible combination of people responsible for the flow. 
Is that right? 
 
It could be done.  It would make my code very simple because now I only 
have to figure out the correct process to start and I'd be done.  Setup 
would be tedious but possible.  However, the administrative maintenance 
(as the users change their mind about who is responsible for what) is the 
real nightmare.
 
Perhaps I'm thinking about those "swimlanes" all wrong.
 
Greg
 
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Hi Greg, 

When I create my xpdl with JaWE, I place each activity in the "swim-lane" 
for the user/group/role responsible for the activity. And Shark certainly 
seems to be able to pick up this info nicely.  Is there any reason you 
don't/can't do the same thing? 

Geeta 



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Forgive me if I get the terminology wrong:

I created an XPDL document (using JAWE) that has five steps - in a
linear fashion.  Step two is always done after step one, step three
always after step two, etc.

When I _create_ the process, I already know which group should be
assigned to each step.

However, when I call the createProcess() method, and interrogate the
WfProcess, it appears there is only one activity (and that one only
exists after the start() method has been called). 

Am I to assume there is no way to assign all of these activities to the
proper owner when the process is created and I must assign them as each
activity is completed?

Thanks,
Greg
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