Re: Some questions

Hello David

you wrote:
> Thanks Vladimir.
> 
> Some additionnal questions:
> 
> 1) corba admin interface is quite usefull. However, it seems any user is also considered 
> as an admin (this new user is able to create other user, manage the worflow definitions / packages)
> Is there a way in config to restrict administration to an admin group and have lambda user only 
> allowed to do actions they are assigned/ start new workflow instances?
> 
> I see this in shark.conf
> StandardSecurityManager.SECURITY_MODE=NORMAL_SECURITY
> # the list of admin users
> StandardSecurityManager.AdminUser1=admin
> 
> But it seems any user in system has fullright.

Use ADMIN_SECURITY, or you can write your own implementation that fits 
your needs.

> 2) We would like users to get a visual of running workflow. I see
> in manager application there is the presence of such visual with
> current steps highlighted. Does anyone have hints on how to
> extract this visual from the admin application and use it in an applet?

This may help
http://mail-archive.objectweb.org/shark/2004-06/msg00175.html

> 3) Are there some suggestions on handling multiple langages in workflow 
> (have various descriptions in the workflow written in several languages)

If you want to have these descriptions inside XPDL, than you should use 
extended attributes, otherwise use good ol' property files and 
(activity, process) definition ids as keys.

> 
> Le Mercredi 20 Juillet 2005 10:53, Vladimir Puskas a écrit :
> 
>>Hello all
>>
>>David wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Geeta.
>>>
>>>first, thanks for information.
>>>
>>>I'd like a bit of comment around the multiple ways to access the
>>>engine. Isn't it possible to tell in configuration of engine
>>>something like 'use wrapper call which will act as a proxy to a
>>>remote corba engine' ? I thought it would be possible due to the 
>>>modularity of shark engine (something like a  'corba client engine').
>>
>>No. Shark isn't *that* modular, if client code uses POJO interfaces it
>>uses them, same applies for CORBA. Although we thought about this (we 
>>would have one instead of two admin applications) we never got to make 
>>such feature.
>>
>>
>>>Having multiple engine with different name woudln't mess up think
>>>when deploying new xpdl (eg, one engine is using the old xpdl while
>>>the admin engine will get the new one, resulting in desynchronization
>>>between engines?)
>>
>>See PackageAdministration.synchronizeXPDLCache()
>>
>>
>>>Moreover, i would like my JSP to use the external engine (thru corba
>>>for example) to reduce the memory usage in tomcat. One of our web
>>>applications is quite unstable and sometimes eats all memory, i
>>>wouldn't like the heavy processing in workflow to be done inside
>>>tomcat.
>>
>>Ok. That's your choice.
>>
>>
>>>On point number 5, you send me to initialising database, there is
>>>some shell script to run? Isn't there a simple SQL script i could
>>>send to database to create table/sequences/triggers? According to
>>>logs i saw when running the script it also add demo workflow instance
>>>iin database. Nice for tests, less for production...
>>
>>I hope it doesn't upload anything into database. Scripts bin/recreateDB
>>and configure should only drop and create data model on chosen JDBC
>>connection - nothing more, nothing less. Anyway sql scripts are in
>>Shark/conf/sql/DBVENDOR/sql directory.
>>
>>
>>>Last comment, do you mean by your suggested code that, if i don't
>>>call it, all workflows started on the old version of the xpdl will be
>>>broken until i upgrade them using code? If yes, shouldn't it be done
>>>automatically by engine when new xpdl is uploaded?
>>
>>All instances started with old xpdl version will continue executing
>>according to that xpdl. All new instances *may* use whatever xpdl
>>version your want.
>>
>>
>>>Le Mardi 19 Juillet 2005 15:38, [email protected] a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi David,
>>>>
>>>>Here are answers to some of your questions:
>>>>
>>>>2. http://shark.objectweb.org/doc/1.1/ToolAgents/tool_agents.html 
>>>>3. I don't think this is possible.. at least as far as i know. 4.
>>>>The key is to use different Shark.confs with different engine names
>>>>and to turn all caches off: 
>>>>http://mail-archive.objectweb.org/shark/2005-02/msg00071.html 5.
>>>>http://shark.objectweb.org/doc/1.1/HowTo/how_to.html#d0e11 6. You
>>>>can update the current version of a process while old processes are
>>>> still running against an older version. Code you can use:
>>>>
>>>>PackageAdministration pa = 
>>>>Shark.getInstance().getAdminInterface().getPackageAdministration();
>>>> RepositoryMgr rm = Shark.getInstance().getRepositoryManager();
>>>>
>>>>String pkgId = rm.getPackageId(xpdlName); try { 
>>>>pa.updatePackage(pkgId, xpdlName); } catch (Throwable e) { throw
>>>>new BaseException(e); }
>>>>
>>>>Regards, Geeta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>delbd <[email protected]> 07/19/2005 04:45 AM Please respond to 
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>To [email protected] cc
>>>>
>>>>Subject {Spam?} [shark] Some questions
>>>>
>>>>Hello, i'd like to get the following informations.
>>>>
>>>>1) How to have shark use the users/roles i have define in a HP-UX
>>>>system. I already have code which is able to retrieve such
>>>>users/group in a tomcat realm, i need to know what i have to
>>>>implement so shark recognoize those users/group as participants
>>
>>Shark modularity kicks in here ;-)
>>You should make new implementations of  Shark's UserGroupManager and
>>AuthenticationManager interfaces and change Shark.conf to refer to new
>>class names. Shark already has two implementations: DODS and LDAP.
>>
>>
>>>>2) How to add custom tools? (like pdf generation)
>>>>
>>>>3) Once this is done, is it possible to have the current list of 
>>>>participants/tools preloaded in jawe when a wf admin wants to
>>>>create a new package?
>>>>
>>>>4) what is the suggested configuration if i want the shark engine
>>>>to run in it's own system process while I have a separate JSP based
>>>>application access this engine (through corba if am not wrong)
>>>>
>>>>5) Is it easy to use something else than Hypersonic SQL as database
>>>>(are there some SQL script somewhere to create the database?)
>>>>
>>>>6) Is shark quite resistant to changes in process definition while
>>>>some workflow instance are running on old versions of those
>>>>process?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks -- David Delbecq Royal Meteorological Institute of Belgium
>>>>
>>>>- Is there life after /sbin/halt -p?
>>

regards
-- 
Vlada

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