Re: more server side js

> > Interesting:
> >
> > I googled appjet + helma and found this:
> >
> > "We use Helma for our (unlaunched) YC startup, and we love it.
> > It's faster than rails, and IMO nicer to develop with. 
> Having all the 
> > Java libraries without having to code in Java is sweet. The ORM is 
> > really well-designed and the built-in object cache is super 
> fast. The 
> > template system has its quirks, but once you get used to 
> it, is also 
> > really sweet.

Well spotted by Chris and Juerg! - I'd seen that before but didn't make
the connection. 
I think this kind of use really shows the power of helma.

In fact in some ways, *because* of being php-ish, this is an excellent
development as I've often talked about helma to people and then been
asked "so where can I set up my own app" and then giving the whole -
"well you first need to get a VPS with a shell account..." does tend to
put people off. This kind of simple PHP-style simple web app hosting I
think has real potential to act as a easy way into the world of SS-JS.

> > It's a shame helma wasn't documented or evangelized as well 
> as rails 
> > was. I think it's a better framework that just didn't catch 
> on because 
> > it wasn't marketed well."

I whole heardly agree with this!
In fact I'm not the best at marketing myself, but I really do think we
should try to make helma a bit more visible in the wider web dev. IMO
(and I've said this before) it would make a great alternative to Rails
especially for Java coders who are switching to Rails for the kind of
feature set Helma already provides. And Rails success I think is in due
in no small part to the "loud" marketing the its creator does.

For my small part, I'm booked in to do a small intro talk to our local
Java user group about helma next month which will hopefully give it some
more exposure down here.

Maks.