Re: Netbeans in education

Hi George,

I will try to write a document about it including some performance 
tests. Maybe you can send me the Charles University document?

thanks in advance,

Remco


George Dvorak wrote:
> Hi Remco,
> well, I think it would be really cool if we could somehow write up a
> different configurations for NetBeans.  Could you let me know your
> thoughts.  How about writing up configuration for
> 
> A.  Java Beginners
> B.  Experienced
> 
> Also, I've been in touch with the Czech Technical University and
> together with our developers we've been working on the minimum
> configuration for NetBeans so I might send you that one two if you're
> interested.
> 
> G.
> 
> Remco Groeneweg wrote:
> 
>>I'm a student in my fifth year (I hope to start my masters thesis soon).
>>As a parttime job, I help at some first and second year lab assignments
>>for computer science. I'm an assistent for the first three programming
>>(in Java) courses for Computer Science.
>>
>>I want to stress that I'm talking about those students who are just
>>entering university and taking their first programming courses. As they
>>have to get familiar with a lot of new concepts already, the usual IDE
>>is an overkill with a lot of functionality they don't need. I'm not
>>questioning the use of IDEs, I'm questioning the usability of the
>>current standard IDEs.
>>
>>Another reason for a 'NetBeans lite' is a practical one: University
>>computers usually aren't the latest state-of-the-art ones. Netbeans in
>>its current full version doesn't run very smoothly on it. A suggestion:
>>make a paper available which explains step-by-step which modules usually
>>can be switched off in a first-year educational environment. I'll be
>>happy to cooperate!
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Remco
>>
>>George Dvorak wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>I agree with Blasius, also would like to add, that also the advantage
>>>with NetBeans, since it's like a little lego set, it's also cool for
>>>the students to write modules to plug in to NetBeans, and also to hack
>>>the NetBeans Platform and play with it and understand a more
>>>complicating code.
>>>
>>>Also, I would like to ask Remco, are you a student or a professor?
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Blasius Lofi Dewanto wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think this is the real power of NetBeans.
>>>>NetBeans is implemented as a real
>>>>component-oriented IDE. So you can just
>>>>de-install the components you don't want
>>>>your students to use and re-package it.
>>>>After all this is the advantage of using
>>>>an open source Java-IDE.
>>>>
>>>>It's important to let freshmen students using
>>>>javac on the command prompt (not only by clicking
>>>>the compile icon) to understand the process
>>>>itself. This is for sure. But after a while they also
>>>>should enjoy the fun of assembling a Java GUI with
>>>>drag&drop capability of NetBeans. The only
>>>>disadvantage of NetBeans is that you don't
>>>>have a true "two-ways-views" between the GUI code
>>>>and the GUI designer. This two-ways-views could help
>>>>them to understand the coding of GUI in Java a lot.
>>>>
>>>>Depending on the subject you are teaching, going back
>>>>to the notepad is not a solution. I think, the students
>>>>nowadays don't have to experience the "old" time as
>>>>I had to work with notepad and command prompt at
>>>>my first year. They have to continue searching
>>>>for some new ideas and expand their knowledge.
>>>>They should not look back at the ancient time of
>>>>programming...
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>--
>>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>>Blasius Lofi Dewanto
>>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>>OpenUSS (Open University Support System)
>>>>http://openuss.sourceforge.net
>>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If Netbeans wants to become more widely used in education, it's not a
>>>>>matter of what it needs, it's more a matter of what it doesn't need. The
>>>>> standard release right now is very much feature driven, with students
>>>>>new to Java 'drowning' in IDE functionality.
>>>>>At my university, the tendency now is to get rid of the IDEs again
>>>>>(after having used VisualCafe for 4 years in first year computer science
>>>>>education), returning back to Notepad.
>>>>>A freshman student who has to become familiar with the basics of
>>>>>programming really doesn't need JSP support, CVS support, etc.  I think
>>>>>the release of a lite version of NetBeans with only the basic modules
>>>>>included will be a good step in the right direction.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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