Re: Apache proposal for NetBeans

Thanks Geertjan,

Looking forward to Apache Netbeans!

Regards

John

On 15 September 2016 at 22:34, geertjan wielenga
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 15-9-2016 23:31, John McDonnell wrote:
>>
>> Interesting...
>>
>> I dont have a lot of knowledge on these things, but i do have a few
>> questions...
>>
>> 1. Does a program like Netcat have a place in the Apache world?
>
>
> Certainly.
>
>>
>> 2. Will it still be "the" Java IDE released with the JDK releases?
>> (i.e. do we expect a Netbeans 9 being released with JDK 9, like it was
>> with JDK/Netbeans 8)
>
>
> Yes. Though that will be determined by Apache NetBeans and since a key
> reason for the existence of Apache NetBeans will be to support Java, it will
> be unavoidable that Java 9 will need to be supported. A subset of the long
> list of Oracle developers listed in the proposal are specifically there to
> work on NetBeans 9.
>
>>
>> 3. Do you envisage a move like this will bring more plugin development
>> to Netbeans (either from Vendors, or the community)? (In my opinion I
>> think it's where Netbeans is fallen behind when viewed together with
>> the other IDEs)
>
>
> Yup, for sure.
>
> There's also heaps of other benefits -- openness and transparency creates
> trust in software and that's what Apache is all about.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 13 September 2016 at 20:00, geertjan wielenga
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13-9-2016 20:52, geertjan wielenga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13-9-2016 20:44, Ivan Soleimanipour wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/13/16 01:36, geertjan wielenga wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A heads up -- we'd like to simplify and streamline the process of
>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>> and being part of the NetBeans ecosystem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current NetBeans governance model is quite opaque and invisible
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> we think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is "we"?
>>>>> The proposal says "Incubator votes on the proposal" ... won't NB itself
>>>>> get a vote?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: No, NetBeans doesn't get a vote. That's standard Apache rules -- a
>>> project submits a proposal to the incubator and then the incubator
>>> program
>>> management committee discusses the proposal, gets more details from the
>>> project, and then votes on accepting it into incubation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Who solicited whom in other words?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The starting point was that we (i.e., Oracle, NetBeans) wanted to
>>>> simplify
>>>> the process of getting code contributions from the community and broaden
>>>> participation in NetBeans in general. Apache was the first logical
>>>> choice
>>>> and then we discussed we contacts we had in Apache about whether that
>>>> would
>>>> be a good move. Very quickly, all sides saw the possibilities and were
>>>> enthusiastic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> having our project be an Apache project, like Apache Maven and Apache
>>>>>> Groovy, is
>>>>>> a sensible direction to that end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the proposal published over the past hour:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take note of the many initial committers, which includes James Gosling
>>>>>> (father
>>>>>> of Java), a range of developers from various organizations, as well as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> big
>>>>>> group from Oracle.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are managers and directors part of that list?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Being a contributor is more than contributing code. It's documentation,
>>>> ideas, direction, etc.
>>>>
>>>> At this point, we have an initial list of committers, which we'll extend
>>>> with more after incubation proposal is accepted, which could be in a few
>>>> days. Once the proposal is accepted, we enter incubation, and then
>>>> licenses
>>>> and all kinds of other things, e.g., the migration of the infrastructure
>>>> will be figured out in detail. On a high level we've come to agreement
>>>> on
>>>> several things already and identified some stumbling blocks and
>>>> potential
>>>> solutions, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a LOT that needs to be done, though the proposal makes the
>>>>>> intentions clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Onwards to exciting times,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>
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-- 
John