Re: Apache proposal for NetBeans

Thanks a lot for these thoughts, Steven. Added you to the initial 
contributors list.

Especially the Clojure editor would be awesome. :-) Script-based 
extensions too. In fact, everything you suggest is great.

Gj

On 26-9-2016 20:18, Steven Yi wrote:
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> It's a good question. :)  I don't have anything particularly at the
> moment, but the things that have been on my mind recently are:
>
> 1. Having a full JavaFX set of libraries to work with to have a
> pure-JFX NB RCP application.  I have been refactoring a lot of code
> lately and replacing parts of my application with JavaFX, and would
> ultimately like to remove all Swing from my application.  My thought
> was to evaluate where efx and mfx are in their codebases and fill in
> the missing parts. The thought would be to reuse parts of ControlsFX
> and perhaps contribute to there as well (e.g., the PropertySheet works
> well for simple properties in ControlsFX, but I don't think it
> supports things like events and methods).
>
> 2. Related to 1, I thought to investigate how much the Netbeans
> Platform and IDE suites depend upon Swing-related modules and see
> about making separations if necessary. I don't want to step on any
> toes for what the primary NB developers are doing though.  I suppose
> exploratory work is necessary to see where things are, what changes
> might be necessary, would it be disruptive to anyone else, and whether
> a separate set of modules might be better.
>
> 3. I do most of my Clojure development with Vim and commandline tools.
> Having a full-featured Clojure plugin for Netbeans has been on my
> mind. I know there's been various other projects that have been done
> but I don't think they're very active or up to date.  I already have
> some Clojure-related parts in my application (e.g., Editor API support
> for the Clojure language, embedding of the Clojure interpreter) that
> might be worth using.
>
> 4. Related to 3, I think it would be interesting to have script-based
> extensions to Netbeans as an alternative to just module extensions.  I
> was envisioning a script editor, and library tool. Users would write
> scripts within Netbeans, choose where to register the script (e.g.,
> editor action for a particular mime type, global menu entry, etc.),
> and perhaps publish it if they want to share.  This may not be
> necessary to have within NB itself though, and might be better as a
> 3rd party plugin.
>
> Anyways, most of the above is speculative at best at this time, and I
> need to think through it a bit more.  The JavaFX stuff is the most
> personally valuable at this time and one which I will need to
> investigate soon. If there's a list of areas where contributions are
> desired (open bugs, testing, etc.) I'd be happy to review and see what
> I can contribute.  I just went through the existing site and looked at
> #nbdev on IRC, NetFIX and NetDEV, and Bugzilla, and the first three
> seemed sort of dead and for Bugzilla I didn't know what to use to
> search for open, unassigned bugs.  I don't know if there's a migration
> plan for the information on the NB site, but I'd be happy to help
> audit the material.
>
> If any of the above makes sense, I'd be happy to be listed as a
> contributor and see where it goes from there.
>
> Thanks!
> steven
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, geertjan wielenga
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Excellent. That's great to hear, Steven.
>>
>> We're now trying to draw up as complete a list of contributors as possible,
>> see it near the end of the proposal here:
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>>
>> What kind of contributions would you be interested in providing for the
>> future Apache NetBeans?
>>
>> Do you have concrete areas you'd like to work on? Or specific areas where
>> you'd like to fix bugs?
>>
>> If so, would be great to add you to the list of contributors -- as well as
>> anyone else on this list who is reading this and would like to get involved!
>>
>> Would be great to be able to make use of all the NetBeans API knowledge that
>> we have built up amongst ourselves on this mailing list -- anyone is free to
>> drop me a mail or respond to this one with ideas for how you might like to
>> get involved in this upcoming Apache project around NetBeans.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On 13-9-2016 21:27, Steven Yi wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, I find the proposed changes very inviting and
>>> find myself more interested now to make contributions than I had in
>>> the past.  I do have a small dream that a Github-based system can be
>>> worked out, one similar to Apache Groovy.  Assuming the project will
>>> be accepted for incubation, I look forward to following the transition
>>> and looking at opportunities to contribute.
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Sun, Oracle, and all involved to bring Netbeans this
>>> far, and best wishes for where Netbeans goes from here!
>>>
>>> steven
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Matthias Bläsing
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Am Dienstag, den 13.09.2016, 10:36 +0200 schrieb geertjan wielenga:
>>>>> Here's the proposal published over the past hour:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Take note of the many initial committers, which includes James
>>>>> Gosling (father of Java), a range of developers from various
>>>>> organizations, as well as a big group from Oracle.
>>>> Broadening and simplifying the netbeans contribution process is very
>>>> good and it looks as if the general response is positive. I hope this
>>>> is not just to write off netbeans silently, that would be a shame.
>>>>
>>>> One think that should be carefully taken care is making sure the
>>>> current contributers are included in the effort. The initial committer
>>>> list for example does not cover the current committers to the netbeans
>>>> codebase (or at least not the complete list).
>>>>
>>>> Hoping for a bright future for netbeans (Apache or not)
>>>>
>>>> Matthias
>>