[TF-dev] Re: OpenCTI decommissioned

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>  Right now we're evalating different optional tools
>

Great. Keep us in the loop if possible.

I vote for https://translations.launchpad.net/netbeans or something
*external*. There is no need for Oracle to host another tool if they can
pull the rug under us at any time.


>  on the other hand it is a must for us to first get the necessary approval
> and a valid legal agreement under which we do community translation.
> (Previously it has been SCA. Emilian, to your question "what is wrong with
> SCA" - since it is a legal agreement by Sun Microsystems , we can no longer
> use it) This effort is still ongoing and unfortunately we don't have a
> fixed schedule yet.
>

I think it's debatable that you cannot use it. I don't think all existing
Sun contracts became void after the merger. I guess Oracle just wants to
play it safe and have a new dedicated agreement with themselves.

But when you think about it, it also becomes debatable the need for a
SCA/OCA for something as simple as translations.

The way I see it, a contributor agreement for source code contributions is
needed since the company distributes my work an also *builds upon it*. So, a
code contribution becomes a functioning part of the whole and the company
thus needs the agreement to have a basis for its inclusion in the overall
project.

But translations seem a bit different. Oracle doesn't "build upon" the
existing translation, nor is it impacted in further work by them. All Oracle
does is *distribute* the  translations next to the project.

Thus, an OCA for something a simple as translations for an *open-source
project* seems a bit odd -- I don't remember Ubuntu asking for contributor
agreements on translations for the apps in the Ubuntu system which are
translated via Launchpad.

If all the added value here is the distribution and bundling, the community
could take care of this. There are countless places where an open-source
binary could be hosted for free and this takes care of distribution. As for
the building/bundling, that's about one hour on a server, meaning about $2
per release.

--emi

-- 
http://www.josekibold.ro : Honesty & well-done software.

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<div> on the other hand it is a must for us to first get the necessary appr=
oval and a valid legal agreement under which we do community translation. (=
Previously it has been SCA. <span style=3D"color:rgb(139, 139, 139)">Emilia=
n, to your question &quot;what is wrong with SCA&quot; - since it is a lega=
l agreement by Sun Microsystems , we can no longer use it</span>) This effo=
rt is still ongoing and unfortunately we don&#39;t have a fixed schedule ye=
t.</div>


</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
I think it&#39;s debatable that you cannot use it. I don&#39;t think all ex=
isting Sun contracts became void after the merger.&nbsp;I guess Oracle just=
 wants to play it safe and have a new dedicated agreement with themselves.<=
/div>

<div><br></div><div>But when you think about it, it also becomes debatable =
the need for a SCA/OCA for something as simple as translations.</div><div><=
br></div><div>The way I see it, a contributor agreement for source code con=
tributions is needed since the company distributes my work an also *builds =
upon it*. So, a code contribution becomes a functioning part of the whole a=
nd the company thus needs the agreement to have a basis for its inclusion i=
n the overall project.</div>

<div><br></div><div>But translations seem a bit different. Oracle doesn&#39=
;t &quot;build upon&quot; the existing translation, nor is it impacted in f=
urther work by them. All Oracle does is *distribute* the &nbsp;translations=
 next to the project.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thus, an OCA for something a simple as translations for=
 an *open-source project* seems a bit odd -- I don&#39;t remember Ubuntu as=
king for contributor agreements on translations for the apps in the Ubuntu =
system which are translated via Launchpad.</div>

<div><br></div><div>If all the added value here is the distribution and bun=
dling, the community could take care of this. There are countless places wh=
ere an open-source binary could be hosted for free and this takes care of d=
istribution. As for the building/bundling, that&#39;s about one hour on a s=
erver, meaning about $2 per release.</div>

<div><br></div><div>--emi</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.josekibold.ro" target=3D"_blank">http://www.josekibold.ro</a> : Hones=
ty &amp; well-done software.<br>


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