[xml-dev] Fwd: Re: XSL scenarios in 3.5?

Chris does Jirka's suggestion make you happy? Let follow
it. Please redesign UI according to the processes and I'll
implement it (I do not expect that the original author will
do it now). Another process I know, let drop it
i.e. remove XSLT support. A compromise I'll do I18n and A11n
and you'll adjust the UI at the form editor level.

Lets move to xml@dev list with this interesting discussion.
It's after all about XML modules development and releases.

   Cc.

PS: To Rich Unger: That's UI check you were asking for,
pretty constructive guys, are not they? :-(

Jiri Mzourek wrote:
> I thought that's obvious. You granted commit rights to Asgeir. Fine, you 
> took the responsibility. He is not willing to fix problems which exists 
> (a11y, NB guidelines, etc.). Since you are responsible for this module, 
> it's up to you to fix those issues (no matter if they are fixed by you 
> or Asgeir). It has nothing to do if it's contribution from outside or 
> not -- there are problems, which have to fixed.
> 
> We have UI guidelines (almost 3 years I think) on:
> http://ui.netbeans.org/docs/nbui_styleguide/style_guide.html
> 
> We have UI checklist (about 2 years) on:
> http://ui.netbeans.org/docs/checklist/index.html
> 
> And mainly, there are NetBeans GENERAL RULES (no matter if it's open 
> source contribution or not), that UI should be OK with this guidelines, 
> see:
> http://qa.netbeans.org/processes/stabe_module_criteria_process.html
> 
> -Jirka
> 
> 
> Petr Kuzel wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Jirka, but I do not understand your suggestion, what
>> do you suggest?
>>
>> Well, I'm the owner and I granted commit rights to Asgeir.
>>
>> My code must follow Sun's processes and Asgairs code must
>> follow community processes. It's shame that gap between
>> community processes and Sun's internal ones is so deep.
>>
>> Please, remember that NetBeans is still open source project
>> and external contributors are the reality.
>>
>>   Cc.
>>
>> Jiri Mzourek wrote:
>>
>>> Who is owner of this module? If it's part of XML module, it's you = 
>>> Sun employee. You should be interested in Sun's processes, don't you? 
>>> And it's also up to you to decide, what kind of contribution will go 
>>> to your module or not.
>>> If it's new module, it should go through NetBeans stable module process.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 Kc ;-)
>>>
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>>>
>>> Petr Kuzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> cL wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Dusan, but have not made the contributor to change
>>>>>> his mind about UI.
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm going to be really blunt here. hie strives to achieve consensus 
>>>>> with developers about how to best present functionality but at the 
>>>>> end of the day, it is hie who is responsible if the product is 
>>>>> usable or not. if Dusan has concerns about the ui then those 
>>>>> concerns need to be addressed before the code is integrated.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Chris but you must have arguments that persuate
>>>> the contributor. It's contributed code and the author
>>>> is not interested in Sun's internal HIE process.
>>>>
>>>> In this particular case the contributor redesigned UI.
>>>> Libor volunteered to pass it through internal Sun's process
>>>> but instead of it he was bitten by another one badly :-(.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to your suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>   Cc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 



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