RE: mavenized oscore, propertyset & osuser

Well said!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
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Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Opensymphony-developers] mavenized oscore, propertyset &
osuser

I'm happier if we all start working together on documentation.

I *really* don't care what format it's in, or which tool uses it.

Let's just fix the problem.
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog:      http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/



[email protected] wrote on 19/12/2003 
11:04:57 AM:

> OK gentlemen, so as not to have this degrade into to flameout, how
about 
I
> propose a challenge.
> 
> I am happy to invest some time into showing why I think there are 
compelling
> reasons to use (not change over to) maven for certain aspects of the
> OpenSymphony project.
> 
> This is not a religion thing, its a quality thing.
> 
> OpenSymphony needs an active community. I am willing to contribute; I
> personally think maven can help a lot now.
> 
> Leaving technology aside, if it can be shown to significantly improve 
the
> community & quality of the various projects, then we have something to

argue
> about (or agree on ;)
> 
> This is not at the expense of Ant builds; of course they can be 
maintinaed.
> But OSS projects will die without active committers and flatly
refusing 
to
> consider something that *MAY* help invigorate the projects doesn't
seem 
like
> a smart move to me. Lets base this on a results based assesment.
> 
> Anyway until I can show people something impressive, this is all just
> keystrokes.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On
Behalf 
Of
> > [email protected]
> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:57 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Opensymphony-developers] mavenized oscore, propertyset
&
> > osuser
> >
> >
> > [email protected] wrote on 
19/12/2003
> > 02:39:47 AM:
> >
> > > I've ranted and raved elsewhere about maven far too much as it is,
> > > google for 'maven bileblog' for more info.
> >
> > Like I hadn't noticed.
> >
> > > Regarding docs, Maven doesn't give you any extra docs, it gives
you 
the
> > > illusion of documentation which in any ways is more dangerous.
> >
> > Heck, I'd take an illusion over the fantastic tutorial @
> > http://www.opensymphony.com/osuser/ anyday. The actual user 
documentation
> > on OsUser is almost nil.
> > Who could give a rats ass about pluggable providers if they can't
> > work out
> > how to use the thing in the first place. It hasn't had a 1.0 release

and
> > someone has already 'started refactoring it mercilessly'.  Sounds
like
> > Maven all over again.
> >
> > > Ultimately, someone interesting in the usage of osuser couldn't
give 
a
> > > crap about how well the test coverage is, or any of the millions
of
> > > other generic project pages that maven craps out.
> >
> > Who cares what Maven pumps out? The lack of usable documentation
> > on OsUser
> > almost stopped me using it for a project recently. Where's the 
freaking
> > download link for &deity;'s sake? And the web site @
> > https://osuser.dev.java.net/ is a joke. I sent a patch in for it 
months
> > ago to point to the os site, but that was soundly ignored.
> >
> > > The only way for docs to happen is for someone to do them the old
> > > fashioned way, by going through the library and documenting how 
things
> > > work, and how to best make use of it all.
> > Well duh.
> > --
> > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > Blog:      http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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