OpenSymphony Org [Was: OScheduler]

+1 -- of course, defining the developers list is another thing to sort
out. We need to keep the list fresh... Also, screw the core/non-core
differentiation, it makes no sense. I'd imagine the list should really
be (given the active contributions going on right now):

Steering:
Pat & Hani

Developers:
James House :)
Chris Miller
Jason Carreira
Dick Zetterberg
Scott Farquhar

Everyone else is basically not an active contributor (if you think I
missed you, email me and Hani and let's talk). By "not active" I don't
mean they don't commit something once in a while, I mean that they
aren't regularly fixing bugs, handling releases, and writing docs (the
hard stuff!)

Other people will get CVS access (Mike, for example) due to previous
contributions, etc, but until they get back to the level of the people
listed above, they wouldn't have as much say in OpenSymphony as a whole.
I think that's only fair.

Thoughts?

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Hani Suleiman
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Opensymphony-developers] OScheduler

Alright, so 'opensymphony' is defined to be the steering committee +  
people on the developers list (as shown on the team page). People who  
drop off that list have an opinion, but are no longer decision makers  
and their vote doesn't count. Anyone object horribly?

On Jan 13, 2004, at 11:11 PM, James House wrote:

>
> I didn't mean to open up such a can of worms ;-) but...
>
> [let me preface this with: IANAL, and I have little idea what I'm  
> talking about]
>
> A "licence" and "copyright ownership" are two very different things.
>
> A license is simply permission to use something owned by someone else

> (or some entity) - and the terms under which this permission is  
> granted.  It does not give over any ownership.  This is why software  
> companies (among other industries) like licenses.
>
> Owning the copyright to something give you the right to license a copy

> of that something to other people.  If you don't own it, you can't  
> give permission for it to be copied or used.
>
> Once again, I don't mean to send off any panic alarms - when I  
> originally brought this topic up, I was mostly curious about whether  
> "OpenSymphony" had any legal status, such as the Apache Foundation,  
> Free Software Foundation, JBoss Group, etc. etc..  The reason (or at  
> least one of the major reasons) these foundations exists, is so that  
> there is an entity that can claim ownership of the copyright.
>
> I've heard a few stories lately where certain open source projects  
> have tried to switch from one license to another (say from LGPL to  
> Apache) and they haven't had the legal standing to do so, because no  
> single entity owned the code.  Those who now were the developers of  
> the project could not redistribute any existing code under another  
> license, unless they rounded up every contributor that there ever had

> been to the project over the years, and got written permission from  
> them to do so -- because the author had the most immediate claim to  
> ownership, and therefore was the only one who could grant a license.
>
>
> So.... Really, I really don't care much about this legal hog-wash:   
> I'm with Patrick when he says "I'm generally of the mind that anything

> I write for OS is pretty much 'free for all'".  -- That's why I prefer

> Apache/BSD style licenses over GPL style licenses.
>
> But it does potentially put us in some interesting situations down the

> road...
>
> james
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
>
>> Well, it's already under an Apache/BSD style license at the moment?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 14/1/04 10:27 AM, "Joseph Ottinger" ([email protected])  
>> penned the
>> words:
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that's a damn good question - the answer is, I'm not

>>>> sure. We
>>>> just kinda put it all there when we started so that no individual  
>>>> would own
>>>> the copyright to the code.
>>>>
>>>> How do the other core devs feel?
>>>>
>>> My opinion was that OS code should be under the artistic license,  
>>> which is
>>> pretty free-for-all, and while I have very little extant code in
>>> opensymphony (transformtags, formtags, some in oscore, some in  
>>> sitemesh) I
>>> still feel that an artistic/bsd license approach is best.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 14/1/04 8:46 AM, "James House" ([email protected]) penned  
>>>> the words:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here's another quick question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who "owns" the copyright to OpenSymphony code?   All of your
source
>>>>> files say something like "Copyright (c) 2002-2003 by
OpenSymphony".
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess my question is:  Who/What is OpenSymphony?  Is there a  
>>>>> formally
>>>>> registered entity (such as a non-profit organization)?  Or is
there
>>>>> simply the listing of team members on the
>>>>> "http://www.opensymphony.com/team.jsp" page - and copyright of all

>>>>> code
>>>>> is assumed evenly owned by all of these people?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> james
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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