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chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Populating select tag list with resul=
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[email protected]> morning
musachy> morning

[email protected]> so what do you think we should do with the tags?
musachy> more like afternoon :)

musachy> I'm not sure yet...

musachy> the profile for core looks like an option

[email protected]> profile for core?
musachy> making an small Dojo distribution (with a  profile) with just the =
things needed for the basic tags...like tooltip...

[email protected]> ah right
[email protected]> the problem, as martin pointed out, is where to really dr=
aw the line
[email protected]> the three main themes probably should each be their own t=
aglib - simple, xhtml, ajax
musachy> yeah..the "communication " criteria is not good

[email protected]> because each tag requires different attributes
musachy> the common attributes for different themes is really bad

[email protected]> it is silly to have attributes that just do nothing for t=
he simple theme
musachy> confusing...

[email protected]> too confusing
[email protected]> exactly
[email protected]> patrick thinks we should ditch the whole theme concept
[email protected]> just provide simple tags in core
musachy> I can see this from a user point of view...'cause I'm new to S2

musachy> the "themes" are not easy to pick up

musachy> I like Patrick's idea

[email protected]> and since all themes use freemarker to render, they are r=
eally slow
[email protected]> that java-implementation of rendering I wrote was 3-4 tim=
es faster
musachy> that's another point

[email protected]> if we just had simple tags, we wouldn't need freemarker
musachy> there is nothing comples con the templates

musachy> FM is overkilling

[email protected]> that is only useful when the tags generate multiple html =
tags
musachy> yup

[email protected]> hmm
[email protected]> perhaps we should move all the current tags to a plugin, =
then create simple tags in core
[email protected]> perhaps using much the same code
[email protected]> just trimming infrastructure and themes
musachy> yeah....we just need to trim it to the basic ones

musachy> that would be a clear line

musachy> how long do you think that would take?

[email protected]> I'd guess the work of splitting things would be pretty ea=
sy
[email protected]> say 4 hours or so
[email protected]> but it gets harder dealing with the unit tests and showca=
se examples
musachy> not bad

musachy> yeah

[email protected]> the other thing we have to think about is backwards compa=
tibility
[email protected]> we have to keep it easy for ww apps to migrate
musachy> for the core tags everything would be there

musachy> for the ajax tags....is almost find an replace=20

[email protected]> well, that's why I'm leaning towards keeping the current =
tags as they are, but perhaps as a plugin
[email protected]> so ww apps could use those
[email protected]> then we could deprecate them and remove them over time
[email protected]> or better yet, someone else will want to maintain them so=
mewhere else
musachy> humm

musachy> we wre talking about other libraries the other day

musachy> and I spent some time checking them out...not good enough

[email protected]> what about jsf ajax tags?
[email protected]> there are a lot of those
[email protected]> I wonder if we shouldn't include one in struts
musachy> I've never used any of those myself

musachy> are they good?

[email protected]> haven't tried them myself
[email protected]> but I hear good things
musachy> we should check them out...if they integrate nicely...

[email protected]> also, could you break up some of your big patches?
[email protected]> I tried to apply the whole thing, but it wouldn't go
[email protected]> so breaking up the patch into specific fixes would really=
 help
musachy> yeah..that's fine....I fixed some bugs this week

musachy> but I'm waiting for all this tags thing=20

[email protected]> well, I think we should fix them as they are
[email protected]> then we'll move them
musachy> ok...I will split them up and resubm
it
[email protected]> tnx
musachy> no problemo....gotta go...c ya

[email protected]> bye
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musachy> I'm going to start splitting the patch..but there two bugs, the ha=
ngman demo and the property names reverting one, the one for hangman is rea=
lly small, and the other ones is huge :(

[email protected]> yeah, I think we should fix those before moving on
[email protected]> and before doing any work, we need to put out a proposal =
on dev
musachy> I did one patch for showcase and one for core...applied both and e=
verything seems to work...I can't htink of anyway of splitting the core one=
...would that be good?

[email protected]> one problem is you can only apply patches via eclipse on =
a per project basis, where showcase and core are two different projects
[email protected]> if you could keep the split and create the patch from /co=
re or /showcase, that would really help
[email protected]> running the patch command from the command line doesn't w=
ork as well with deleted or added files
musachy> oh..that's fine...I will create the from the subfolders

musachy> there are no new/deleted files on these ones

chatbot> New reply by Sohel Katchi: Bug? xwork entry success returns: 404 -=
 result 'null' not found (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messag=
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[email protected]> cool
[email protected]> hey, could you make the root showcase?
[email protected]> btw, what ide do you use?
musachy> eclipse

[email protected]> so wouldn't you also have the projects defined like me?
musachy> can you delete the attached patches?

[email protected]> where showcase is the project, not apps or struts2
musachy> sure

[email protected]> just add another one
musachy> done

[email protected]> tnx
musachy> I will wait until you apply them. cause I'm getting fixes for diff=
erent bugs together :)

[email protected]> k
musachy> doesn't need to be now....I meant I will wait before coding anythi=
ng else :)

[email protected]> k
[email protected]> I might be able to get to it tonite
musachy> k

chatbot> New reply by Martin Gilday: my god! webwork 2.2+spring 2.0.1 fool =
me. (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3D109252)
chatbot> New reply by Martin Gilday: jsp auto update (http://forums.opensym=
phony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3D109256)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Redirecting To Another Application (h=
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chatbot> New reply by Jeromy Van Dusen: Redirecting To Another Application =
(http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3D109272)
chatbot> New thread by Richard Wallace: Generating conversion errors (http:=
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chatbot> New thread by Richard Wallace: Validating collections (http://foru=
ms.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=3D54594)
chatbot> New reply by tm_jee: ww.url double encoding (http://forums.opensym=
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chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Redirecting To Another Application (h=
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chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Generating conversion errors (http://=
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chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Token Session Interceptor problems (h=
ttp://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3D109339)
chatbot> New thread by Frans Thamura: Security Implementation for Template =
(VM) or JSP (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=3D54628)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Just a thought, Sorting rows displaye=
d using ww:iterator (http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?messageID=
=3D109341)
chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Security Implementation for Template =
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chatbot> New reply by Philip Luppens: Validating collections (http://forums=
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