Re: project dependencies

1.6 by me.

OK to rename group and artifact names too.

Klaus


On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Karl Wettin <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm really only asking since the code will compile as 1.4. If you asked me
> I'd say 1.6.
>
> karl
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Justin T. Sampson wrote:
>
> I was pretty shocked to hear Karl ask about 1.4. It's been dead a long time.
> Even 1.5 has already been end-of-lifed. I'd say go ahead with 1.6.
> You can see my generics attempts on one of the branches in Git. It's
> certainly powerful, but the generic signatures started getting really out of
> hand as I pushed them all the way through the code. It's likely that a more
> limited approach could be successful.
> But abandoning 1.4 is just the right thing to do regardless of using
> features from later releases.
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Jacob Kjome <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Seems like it should be at least 1.5 at this point.  The only reason I see
>> for
>> sticking with Java 1.4 these days is maintaining legacy apps, which likely
>> are not
>> going to use Prevayler anyway.  And didn't Justin foray into a Java 1.5
>> refactoring of Prevayler?  I think he ended up saying that Generics (and
>> possibly
>> other 1.5 features) didn't buy too much, but while it might not have been
>> perfect,
>> was there no benefit at all?
>>
>> Any other opinions?
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 8:53 AM, Karl Wettin wrote:
>> > Are we officially targeting Java 1.4?
>> >
>> >
>> > karl
>> >
>> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Justin T. Sampson wrote:
>> >
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the contribution!
>> >>
>> >> I think we generally found XStream to be nicer than Skaringa. We would
>> >> have dropped Skaringa a while ago, but I argued to keep it because it
>> >> was a good test case for custom serializers -- it was almost broken a
>> >> couple of times, because its behavior is different than XStream in
>> >> some subtle ways. But I'm fine with dropping it now.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Alexandre Nodari
>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     Skaringa :-( The first XML serialization implementation :-( My
>> >>     first idea contributed to Prevayler :-(
>> >>
>> >>     Just kidding... Drop it! :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     2011/9/14 Klaus Wuestefeld <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>
>> >>         Lets drop Skaringa and JavaMatch.
>> >>
>> >>         Details:
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:18] Karl Wettin: however, you should let me
>> >> know
>> >>         what it is you want to do with prevayler and maven
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:32] Karl Wettin: i have a couple of days
>> >>         coming up i
>> >>         can spend on things like this
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:57] Klaus Wuestefeld: nice :)
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: I have a conference
>> >>         starting in 2 mins
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:32] Karl Wettin: eg how do you feel about
>> >> major
>> >>         refactoring of the modules? could we try to come up with
>> >>         something so
>> >>         we get the most of it out without any deps?
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:34] Karl Wettin: okok
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:35] Klaus Wuestefeld: I think we can simply
>> >>         delete
>> >>         all dependencies: skaringa, jmatch
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:58] Klaus Wuestefeld: is xstream on maven
>> >>         central?
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: What other deps do we
>> >>         have?
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:08] Karl Wettin: i think the biggest problem
>> >>         is the
>> >>         PrevaylerFactory
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:14] Karl Wettin: which use pretty much all
>> >> deps
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:32] Klaus Wuestefeld: We can simply delete
>> >>         skaringa stuff
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:37] Klaus Wuestefeld: what else?
>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:54] Karl Wettin: ill have to create a deps
>> >>         map, im
>> >>         sure maven have some tool for that
>> >>         [13/09/2011 22:00:12] Karl Wettin: but ok, i'll do my best at
>> >>         removing all deps
>> >>         [13/09/2011 22:00:25] Klaus Wuestefeld: Could you post on the
>> >> list
>> >>         what the deps are?
>> >>         [01:44:46] Klaus Wuestefeld: Apparently skaringa and xstream
>> >>         are the
>> >>         only deps in the factory...
>> >>         [08:42:55] Karl Wettin: did my mail reach the list? not sure,
>> >>         port 25
>> >>         might be blocked on my 3g carrier (local smtp)
>> >>         [08:43:05] Karl Wettin: mvn depencecy:list
>> >>         [08:43:09] Karl Wettin: that does the trick
>> >>         [08:43:29] Karl Wettin: you might have to clone
>> >>         karl.wettin/prevayler
>> >>         in order for it to work though
>> >>         [10:44:50] Klaus Wuestefeld: Did justin add you as
>> >>         collaborator on his
>> >>         prevayler repo?
>> >>         [10:45:05] Karl Wettin: nope
>> >>         [10:45:20] Karl Wettin: atleast not htat i know
>> >>         [10:45:21] Karl Wettin: let me check
>> >>         [10:46:51] Karl Wettin: nope
>> >>         [10:46:53] Karl Wettin: i'm not
>> >>         [10:52:22] Klaus Wuestefeld: I would really like you to apply
>> >> the
>> >>         maven stuff on the prevayler repo. Do you think the fork + pull
>> >>         request method will work for you or will it be much easier to
>> >>         become a
>> >>         collaborator?
>> >>         [10:52:54] Klaus Wuestefeld: I never used fork+pull resquests.
>> >>         [10:53:11] Karl Wettin: i hate git : ) it never works the way
>> >>         i want it to.
>> >>         [10:53:18] Karl Wettin: but sure
>> >>         [10:53:36] Klaus Wuestefeld: Curious: What do you use instead?
>> >>         [10:53:38] Karl Wettin: there are a few things though, the pom
>> >>         i my
>> >>         repo points at vps.kodapan.se/maven
>> >>         <http://vps.kodapan.se/maven> for deps
>> >>         [10:53:44] Karl Wettin: which might not be optimal
>> >>         [10:54:05] Klaus Wuestefeld: Sure
>> >>         [10:54:09] Klaus Wuestefeld: Lets use maven central
>> >>         [10:54:31] Karl Wettin: the problem is that some deps are not
>> >> in
>> >>         there. and if we remove the deps then maven will not compile
>> >>         [10:54:50] Karl Wettin: or it will require users to manually
>> >>         install deps
>> >>         [10:54:57] Karl Wettin: and i dont think we want that
>> >>         [10:55:22] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop skaringa.
>> >>         [10:55:28] Klaus Wuestefeld: Delete all skaringa related code.
>> >>         [10:55:34] Klaus Wuestefeld: Is xstream on central?
>> >>         [10:55:42] Klaus Wuestefeld: Any other deps?
>> >>         [10:56:00] Karl Wettin: javamatch
>> >>         [10:56:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop all JavaMatch code too. Its
>> >>         just the demo.
>> >>         [10:56:09] Karl Wettin: xpp3 is on central
>> >>         [10:56:18] Karl Wettin: skaringa r1p8 is on central
>> >>         [10:56:23] Klaus Wuestefeld: And it cramps the live reaction
>> >>         style of the demo.
>> >>         [10:56:53] Klaus Wuestefeld: JavaMatch is distracting in the
>> >>         demo. Lets drop it.
>> >>         [10:57:14] Klaus Wuestefeld: Skaringa r1p8 is this ok for us?
>> >>         [10:57:50] Karl Wettin: let me see
>> >>         [10:58:05] Karl Wettin: btw, http://search.maven.org/
>> >>         [10:59:04] Karl Wettin: we use
>> >>         [INFO]    skaringa:skaringa:jar:r4p0:compile
>> >>         [10:59:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: You are a comitter to the
>> >>         prevayler-site
>> >>         repo, in case you need to prove you own the demain to update
>> >> our
>> >>         maven-central entry.
>> >>         [10:59:17] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop skaringa.
>> >>         [10:59:30] Klaus Wuestefeld: domain
>> >>         [10:59:38] Karl Wettin: xpp version is ok though
>> >>         [11:00:59] Karl Wettin: xstream is also ok
>> >>         [11:01:08] Karl Wettin: so yeah, its skaringa and javamatch.
>> >>         nothing else
>> >>         [11:01:34] Klaus Wuestefeld: Cool. Lets drop them.
>> >>         [11:02:41] Karl Wettin: ok. i think there has been no changes
>> >> to
>> >>         jsampson/prevayler since my fork
>> >>         [11:02:52] Karl Wettin: lets work in mine for now and then
>> >>         merge it
>> >>         all if its all good
>> >>         [11:02:56] Karl Wettin: ill give you access
>> >>         [11:03:47] Karl Wettin: whats your gitname?
>> >>         [11:04:16] Karl Wettin: and then i'll merge it all up for us.
>> >>         [11:05:12] Klaus Wuestefeld: If that is the case, I prefer
>> >>         justin gave
>> >>         you commit
>> >>         [11:05:23] Karl Wettin: ok, what not
>> >>
>> >>
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