Re: project dependencies

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On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Klaus Wuestefeld <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1.6 by me.
>
> OK to rename group and artifact names too.
>
> Klaus
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Karl Wettin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm really only asking since the code will compile as 1.4. If you asked me
>> I'd say 1.6.
>>
>> karl
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Justin T. Sampson wrote:
>>
>> I was pretty shocked to hear Karl ask about 1.4. It's been dead a long time.
>> Even 1.5 has already been end-of-lifed. I'd say go ahead with 1.6.
>> You can see my generics attempts on one of the branches in Git. It's
>> certainly powerful, but the generic signatures started getting really out of
>> hand as I pushed them all the way through the code. It's likely that a more
>> limited approach could be successful.
>> But abandoning 1.4 is just the right thing to do regardless of using
>> features from later releases.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Jacob Kjome <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems like it should be at least 1.5 at this point.  The only reason I see
>>> for
>>> sticking with Java 1.4 these days is maintaining legacy apps, which likely
>>> are not
>>> going to use Prevayler anyway.  And didn't Justin foray into a Java 1.5
>>> refactoring of Prevayler?  I think he ended up saying that Generics (and
>>> possibly
>>> other 1.5 features) didn't buy too much, but while it might not have been
>>> perfect,
>>> was there no benefit at all?
>>>
>>> Any other opinions?
>>>
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2011 8:53 AM, Karl Wettin wrote:
>>> > Are we officially targeting Java 1.4?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > karl
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Justin T. Sampson wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> :)
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the contribution!
>>> >>
>>> >> I think we generally found XStream to be nicer than Skaringa. We would
>>> >> have dropped Skaringa a while ago, but I argued to keep it because it
>>> >> was a good test case for custom serializers -- it was almost broken a
>>> >> couple of times, because its behavior is different than XStream in
>>> >> some subtle ways. But I'm fine with dropping it now.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Alexandre Nodari
>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>     Skaringa :-( The first XML serialization implementation :-( My
>>> >>     first idea contributed to Prevayler :-(
>>> >>
>>> >>     Just kidding... Drop it! :-)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     2011/9/14 Klaus Wuestefeld <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> >>
>>> >>         Lets drop Skaringa and JavaMatch.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Details:
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:18] Karl Wettin: however, you should let me
>>> >> know
>>> >>         what it is you want to do with prevayler and maven
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:32] Karl Wettin: i have a couple of days
>>> >>         coming up i
>>> >>         can spend on things like this
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:57:57] Klaus Wuestefeld: nice :)
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: I have a conference
>>> >>         starting in 2 mins
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:32] Karl Wettin: eg how do you feel about
>>> >> major
>>> >>         refactoring of the modules? could we try to come up with
>>> >>         something so
>>> >>         we get the most of it out without any deps?
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:34] Karl Wettin: okok
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:35] Klaus Wuestefeld: I think we can simply
>>> >>         delete
>>> >>         all dependencies: skaringa, jmatch
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:58:58] Klaus Wuestefeld: is xstream on maven
>>> >>         central?
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: What other deps do we
>>> >>         have?
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:08] Karl Wettin: i think the biggest problem
>>> >>         is the
>>> >>         PrevaylerFactory
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:14] Karl Wettin: which use pretty much all
>>> >> deps
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:32] Klaus Wuestefeld: We can simply delete
>>> >>         skaringa stuff
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:37] Klaus Wuestefeld: what else?
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 21:59:54] Karl Wettin: ill have to create a deps
>>> >>         map, im
>>> >>         sure maven have some tool for that
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 22:00:12] Karl Wettin: but ok, i'll do my best at
>>> >>         removing all deps
>>> >>         [13/09/2011 22:00:25] Klaus Wuestefeld: Could you post on the
>>> >> list
>>> >>         what the deps are?
>>> >>         [01:44:46] Klaus Wuestefeld: Apparently skaringa and xstream
>>> >>         are the
>>> >>         only deps in the factory...
>>> >>         [08:42:55] Karl Wettin: did my mail reach the list? not sure,
>>> >>         port 25
>>> >>         might be blocked on my 3g carrier (local smtp)
>>> >>         [08:43:05] Karl Wettin: mvn depencecy:list
>>> >>         [08:43:09] Karl Wettin: that does the trick
>>> >>         [08:43:29] Karl Wettin: you might have to clone
>>> >>         karl.wettin/prevayler
>>> >>         in order for it to work though
>>> >>         [10:44:50] Klaus Wuestefeld: Did justin add you as
>>> >>         collaborator on his
>>> >>         prevayler repo?
>>> >>         [10:45:05] Karl Wettin: nope
>>> >>         [10:45:20] Karl Wettin: atleast not htat i know
>>> >>         [10:45:21] Karl Wettin: let me check
>>> >>         [10:46:51] Karl Wettin: nope
>>> >>         [10:46:53] Karl Wettin: i'm not
>>> >>         [10:52:22] Klaus Wuestefeld: I would really like you to apply
>>> >> the
>>> >>         maven stuff on the prevayler repo. Do you think the fork + pull
>>> >>         request method will work for you or will it be much easier to
>>> >>         become a
>>> >>         collaborator?
>>> >>         [10:52:54] Klaus Wuestefeld: I never used fork+pull resquests.
>>> >>         [10:53:11] Karl Wettin: i hate git : ) it never works the way
>>> >>         i want it to.
>>> >>         [10:53:18] Karl Wettin: but sure
>>> >>         [10:53:36] Klaus Wuestefeld: Curious: What do you use instead?
>>> >>         [10:53:38] Karl Wettin: there are a few things though, the pom
>>> >>         i my
>>> >>         repo points at vps.kodapan.se/maven
>>> >>         <http://vps.kodapan.se/maven> for deps
>>> >>         [10:53:44] Karl Wettin: which might not be optimal
>>> >>         [10:54:05] Klaus Wuestefeld: Sure
>>> >>         [10:54:09] Klaus Wuestefeld: Lets use maven central
>>> >>         [10:54:31] Karl Wettin: the problem is that some deps are not
>>> >> in
>>> >>         there. and if we remove the deps then maven will not compile
>>> >>         [10:54:50] Karl Wettin: or it will require users to manually
>>> >>         install deps
>>> >>         [10:54:57] Karl Wettin: and i dont think we want that
>>> >>         [10:55:22] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop skaringa.
>>> >>         [10:55:28] Klaus Wuestefeld: Delete all skaringa related code.
>>> >>         [10:55:34] Klaus Wuestefeld: Is xstream on central?
>>> >>         [10:55:42] Klaus Wuestefeld: Any other deps?
>>> >>         [10:56:00] Karl Wettin: javamatch
>>> >>         [10:56:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop all JavaMatch code too. Its
>>> >>         just the demo.
>>> >>         [10:56:09] Karl Wettin: xpp3 is on central
>>> >>         [10:56:18] Karl Wettin: skaringa r1p8 is on central
>>> >>         [10:56:23] Klaus Wuestefeld: And it cramps the live reaction
>>> >>         style of the demo.
>>> >>         [10:56:53] Klaus Wuestefeld: JavaMatch is distracting in the
>>> >>         demo. Lets drop it.
>>> >>         [10:57:14] Klaus Wuestefeld: Skaringa r1p8 is this ok for us?
>>> >>         [10:57:50] Karl Wettin: let me see
>>> >>         [10:58:05] Karl Wettin: btw, http://search.maven.org/
>>> >>         [10:59:04] Karl Wettin: we use
>>> >>         [INFO]    skaringa:skaringa:jar:r4p0:compile
>>> >>         [10:59:07] Klaus Wuestefeld: You are a comitter to the
>>> >>         prevayler-site
>>> >>         repo, in case you need to prove you own the demain to update
>>> >> our
>>> >>         maven-central entry.
>>> >>         [10:59:17] Klaus Wuestefeld: Drop skaringa.
>>> >>         [10:59:30] Klaus Wuestefeld: domain
>>> >>         [10:59:38] Karl Wettin: xpp version is ok though
>>> >>         [11:00:59] Karl Wettin: xstream is also ok
>>> >>         [11:01:08] Karl Wettin: so yeah, its skaringa and javamatch.
>>> >>         nothing else
>>> >>         [11:01:34] Klaus Wuestefeld: Cool. Lets drop them.
>>> >>         [11:02:41] Karl Wettin: ok. i think there has been no changes
>>> >> to
>>> >>         jsampson/prevayler since my fork
>>> >>         [11:02:52] Karl Wettin: lets work in mine for now and then
>>> >>         merge it
>>> >>         all if its all good
>>> >>         [11:02:56] Karl Wettin: ill give you access
>>> >>         [11:03:47] Karl Wettin: whats your gitname?
>>> >>         [11:04:16] Karl Wettin: and then i'll merge it all up for us.
>>> >>         [11:05:12] Klaus Wuestefeld: If that is the case, I prefer
>>> >>         justin gave
>>> >>         you commit
>>> >>         [11:05:23] Karl Wettin: ok, what not
>>> >>
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