Re: robowiki are down now

I don't really trust sourceforge at this point :( Maybe github?
On Jul 22, 2015 3:42 AM, "David P. Caldwell" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> If we had a ZIP file of all the bots, we could just manually upload
> them to SourceForge or whatever and change the URLs in the Rumble to
> point to SourceForge.
>
> Although a little tedious, this seems easy to me. Is there something
> I'm missing?
>
> -- David.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM, fnl <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > You are right about the Robocode Repository.
> > However, I don't know how this could be moved. I could ask Dan Lynn
> > (owner/developer/admin of Robocode Repository) if it could be migrated to
> > another server.
> > It should be possible, but I don't expect it to be easy.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -- Flemming
> >
> > Den mandag den 20. juli 2015 kl. 15.07.17 UTC+2 skrev David P. Caldwell:
> >>
> >> One other thing that is somewhat related: RobocodeRepository, which
> >> contains a large database of the historic bots (opponents!), goes down
> >> a great deal as well. Ideally that content could also be migrated to a
> >> reliable hosting platform (I assume they could just be downloads from
> >> wherever the source code is hosted, for example), which would help
> >> preserve some of that historical value. And the historical value is
> >> one of the greatest assets that provides the potential for future
> >> growth, in my view.
> >>
> >> -- David P. Caldwell
> >> http://www.davidpcaldwell.com/
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Peter Strm <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Very interesting mail thread! I know I used to be one of those
> >> > advocating
> >> > Robocode game play should stay as clean and simple as it was, but I do
> >> > not
> >> > remember ever thinking it through on a level even close to Patrick's.
> >> >
> >> > I'm also sure there are still major innovations to be made, even
> though
> >> > the
> >> > interest for the platform might fade before that happens. I can relate
> >> > to
> >> > how discouraging it could be to go about trying to compete with
> DrussGT
> >> > and
> >> > Diamond and realise you will have to perfect every existing trick in
> the
> >> > book...
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, it seems that hosting a stable mediawiki instance is a bit too
> >> > much
> >> > of a bother at current. Seems like a great idea to see if it can be
> >> > exported
> >> > to SF. If that doesn't work, then just exporting a static HTML site is
> >> > an
> >> > alternative:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Publishing_from_MediaWiki#Built-in_methods_of_exporting_data_via_the_command-line
> >> >
> >> > Regardless, when the export is done, let me know the hostname/IP of
> >> > where it
> >> > is published so that I can repoint the DNS things.
> >> >
> >> > /PEZ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:47 AM, fnl <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Patrick,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> It would be great if we could move the RoboWiki to another Wiki or
> >> >> similar
> >> >> (static pages?), e.g. using the Export feature of the MediaWiki
> >> >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Export).
> >> >> Perhaps it could be moved to the Wiki for the Robocode page on
> >> >> SourceForge? It should be enabled first. Currently the developer
> pages
> >> >> on
> >> >> SourceForge are down (is being restored after a disk breakdown). So I
> >> >> am not
> >> >> able to see, if it is possible to import the MediaWiki export (yet).
> >> >>
> >> >> At least I want to let people access all the vital knowledge to make
> >> >> good
> >> >> Robocode robots. And people get upset when the RoboWiki is down. But
> I
> >> >> fully
> >> >> understand that you (PEZ) and David Alves don't what to be involved
> >> >> with the
> >> >> RoboWiki anymore. The best thing would be to put it somewhere where
> >> >> more
> >> >> people is able to maintain it - and hopefully without to pay for
> >> >> hosting
> >> >> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> When the developer pages of SourceForge (SF) are up and running
> again,
> >> >> I
> >> >> will see if I can import the RoboWiki pages to the SF Wiki somehow.
> >> >> I will also try to make an export of the RoboWiki pages, when I get
> >> >> time
> >> >> for it (probably tonight). I expect that it will not be possible to
> >> >> export
> >> >> the RoboWiki users. So this will be an issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regarding the development of Robocode. I am only maintaining the
> >> >> current
> >> >> Robocode with bug fixes etc. If somebody want to add new features,
> they
> >> >> should go ahead and implement these. I will help with the integration
> >> >> etc.
> >> >> if the features are not too complex to handle. But I won't be the one
> >> >> doing
> >> >> all the work (anymore).
> >> >> Robocode is Open Source, so if somebody else want to take over the
> >> >> development, they are free to do so. I just hope he/she/they will
> have
> >> >> skills enough to get it in a better shape. ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> - - - -
> >> >> I am still working on a "Robocode 2", which is protocol based (on top
> >> >> of
> >> >> WebSockets) making it possible to be language independent and also
> work
> >> >> for
> >> >> web - e.g. using JavaScript. The development progress is slow as I
> >> >> don't
> >> >> have so much spare time as I had 10 years ago (when taking over the
> >> >> development/maintenance of Robocode).
> >> >> I am not sure if I will ever finish this new version, but at least
> the
> >> >> development is still ongoing. Currently it is not open source as I
> want
> >> >> to
> >> >> make a clean core and have the freedom to change anything at anytime
> >> >> without
> >> >> being forced to coordinate with other developers. I see this new
> >> >> version as
> >> >> "my new baby", so it must be good enough before I let other people
> in.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> - Flemming
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Den lørdag den 18. juli 2015 kl. 20.04.23 UTC+2 skrev Patrick Cupka:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hey guys - late to the dialogue, but a few things to mention.
> (Beware:
> >> >>> wall of text incoming.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The wiki mostly runs itself and is hosted at VPSLink, which is
> pretty
> >> >>> reliable. The problem during downtime is that neither myself, who
> >> >>> "owns" the
> >> >>> wiki (i.e., from PEZ), nor David Alves, who actually pays for
> hosting,
> >> >>> actually care so much about Robocode anymore. When your heart's not
> in
> >> >>> it,
> >> >>> there are plenty of other things that take precedence.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I believe MediaWiki has a facility to export all the pages to an XML
> >> >>> format. We could make the full archive available somewhere (eg,
> >> >>> someone's
> >> >>> Dropbox) every so often, if it's something people are interested in.
> >> >>> Then
> >> >>> you can do whatever you want with it. It strikes me as the kind of
> >> >>> thing
> >> >>> people say they want, then nobody would actually download it. :-)
> But
> >> >>> we
> >> >>> could try.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There's certainly nobody acting as a gatekeeper here to keep it
> single
> >> >>> sourced. There are no ads. PEZ and I gave a dump of the old wiki to
> >> >>> someone
> >> >>> upon request a while back. The RoboWiki is all about sharing
> Robocode
> >> >>> knowledge.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There are plenty of other programming games, but nothing in the same
> >> >>> league as Robocode as far as number of bots or active competitions.
> >> >>> Then
> >> >>> again, people also complain that there is nothing new to be
> innovated
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> Robocode, so it's a double-edged sword. I like to joke that it's the
> >> >>> "Google
> >> >>> Reader of programming games" – it got a huge corporate push from
> IBM,
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> smothers the rest of the market (tons of bots, history, Java, name
> >> >>> recognition), and might need to die off before all these other games
> >> >>> can
> >> >>> blossom - hopefully with some kind of common community, as well as
> >> >>> communities of their own.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have my own offering: BerryBots (http://berrybots.com). You can
> read
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> comparison to Robocode gameplay here:
> >> >>> http://berrybots.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17 ... Or even try it
> in a
> >> >>> browser: http://playberrybots.com. Primarily, it features
> programmable
> >> >>> stages, walls on the playing field, and a secondary weapon
> >> >>> (grenade-like).
> >> >>> It also has a pretty sweet automation API with built-in
> >> >>> multithreading,
> >> >>> (optional) graphical form inputs, and the ability to save HTML5
> >> >>> replays of
> >> >>> matches. There are only a few bots, but I'd be hella impressed if
> you
> >> >>> can
> >> >>> beat Sanic (from Frohman).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The other games that have caught my eye are FightCodeGame.com, a
> fully
> >> >>> web based Robocode-inspired game; and NodeWar.com, which might be
> the
> >> >>> only
> >> >>> truly inspiring / innovative gameplay I've seen. I'd also check out
> >> >>> http://programminggames.org, which seems to be gaining steam.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I sympathize with the desire to join a large, active community. But
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> RoboWiki might make the Robocode community seem a lot more active
> than
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> is. Good luck catching me and Skilgannon while we never update our
> >> >>> bots. ;)
> >> >>> At some point, we have to make something new. I suspect even
> "Robocode
> >> >>> 2"
> >> >>> will have the same problems as the rest of the new entrants into the
> >> >>> genre.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hope that's enlightening! Best of luck,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -- Patrick
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from mobile
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On May 4, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jesse Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'll raise my hand.  I just don't know what would need to be done
> >> >>> though
> >> >>> since I've never done this before.  Would a service such as
> >> >>> http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page suffice?  Can anyone
> provide
> >> >>> some
> >> >>> other guidance on a good way to host that is minimal cost?  Also,
> how
> >> >>> would
> >> >>> one obtain the current wiki content?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Question.  Is robocode still viable or are there other better,
> widely
> >> >>> used, supported platforms along the same vein?  Please advise.  I'm
> >> >>> looking
> >> >>> to work with a platform like robocode to ultimately compete against
> >> >>> others..
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 5:57 PM, ramn.se ‘¸ <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> How do we get hold of the database?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Pavel Šavara <
> [email protected]>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi everybody,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> it would be perhaps good idea if all people who think robowiki is
> >> >>>>> important would try to help.
> >> >>>>> Somebody may try to run mirror, or perhaps somebody would organize
> >> >>>>> and
> >> >>>>> run it on more stable hosting ?
> >> >>>>> Perhaps people would donate some cash needed to pay for the
> hosting
> >> >>>>> ?
> >> >>>>> Just suggestions, in the end it's community project, right ?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Anybody at all ? Raise your hands !
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Pavel
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Yeah, I hope they fix it soon... It's really important for many
> >> >>>>>> people!
> >> >>>>>>
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