Re: Jini vs/and OSGi

+1

For those of you that agree with Niclas and want to "learn" and
"contribute", step up and join us  - newton.codecauldron.org.

Also, we (Paremus), will be at JavaOne and happy to talk to anyone /
everyone.

Best Wishes

Richard


On 30 Mar 2007, at 16:33, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

> Sorry for jumping in late, but I have been out of commission for
> long...
>
>
> It is with tears[1] in my eyes I read this thread. The
> misconceptions on both
> sides are large, and I even here disrespect among some fellows here
> for OSGi.
> And this "impedance mismatch" between understanding each other will
> probably
> lead to perpetual separation, exempt Newton and similar rebels.
>
> The OSGi community's main complaint about Jini is the "undefined
> classloading
> model". The security complaint from OSGi towards Jini is probably
> moot at the
> advent of 2.0.
>
> AFAIU, the Jini community's main complaint about OSGi is the attempt
> at "remoteness transparency".
>
> So both camps close the door and throw dirt at the other side's
> door. Bad!
>
> Do I think it can be resolved?? Honestly; No. The mentality is
> lacking. Each
> side refuse to educate, and be educated by, the other side.
>
> The Jini zealots speak of all the things that can't be done if Jini
> is inside
> OSGi. OSGi crucifies the lack of strong classloading model in Jini.
> The Cold
> War persists.
> "Man the barricades. There is an on-slaught of criticism to our
> perfect
> technology."
>
> I recall I tried to bring up ~9 months ago or so, the window of
> opportunity to
> marry Jini with OSGi. Criticism here wasn't overly positive
> (understatement
> of the day) and the window is practically closed. The OSGi
> Enterprise Expert
> Group is not even considering Jini as a player in the field. It is
> WS-*, SCA,
> ESBs and OSOA from one end to the other. Bandwagon mentality and mob
> behavioral "me too"...
>
> Well, I am tired defending Jini. Paremus (the Newton guys) are
> trying hard to
> push towards a position where "Jini is possible", but from there to
> first
> class citizen for serving the Distributed Registry, or even
> "allowed to be
> serving the Distributed Registry" is a long way. Far too long.
>
>
> So, honorable members of this community; Before you mount your
> white stallions
> of perfection and enter a war of mud slinging, take a break and
> reflect over
> the situation and what you could learn from "the other side". Your
> solution
> (Jini) is not the answer to everything. It is not even the answer
> to most
> things.
> Spring Framework was in a similar position of "us vs them". But Spring
> embraced OSGi, and vice versa, the synergy is good, each side is
> learning.
> Spring is slated to become the intra-bundle component model, and
> OSGi is
> becoming a first-class citizen in the Spring community.
>
>
> hmmmm... Is there any will? Or just the will to criticize, feeling
> proud
> and "they don't get it"??
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> [1] I happen to be in the camp of believing in both Jini and OSGi.
> More the
> latter than the former in recent days.
>
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