Re: Fwd: Re: [Tapestry-developer] Tapestry and RSS

While I don't think my opinion should count for much on this.  I am in 
the URL control crowd.
Take a look at what Cocoon does with its sitemap (xml.apache.org/cocoon).

URLs are pretty important in some companies and Can be a powerful tool 
for usability.

-Andy

[email protected] wrote:

>i'm reposting this, as it never made it to the list :)
>
>
>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:46:12 -0500, [email protected] said:
>  
>
>>hi,
>>
>>i don't know if i count as a "user" but i do like short urls, that tell
>>about the structure of a site's information. i like it when i can easily
>>navigate around if i get a 404 (ok, linkrot is bad too, but it's a fact
>>of life). or jump straight to something i know is there, but have not
>>bookmarked it (eg. i can jump to the javadoc of java.lang.String without
>>having it bookmarked, or even bringing up the page)...
>>
>>as a site-builder, i like nice urls that i can send out in an email
>>without it breaking (less than 80 chars) on certain mail readers... or
>>print on a piece of paper and a user can type it in... simple urls make
>>log analysis easier too.
>>
>>call me weird, but other's share my opinion - here's a couple of links
>>google gave me for "url usability":
>>
>>http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990321.html
>>http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/us-cranky8.html?dwzone=web
>>http://www.bohmann.dk/articles/making_urls_predictable.html
>>
>>i think ugly urls are against the spirit of the original concept - use
>>them if you have no other option...
>>http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
>>
>>or take your mailing address for example - yeah, it could be
>>?1235&1234@fooboo-123@arlington@MA@USA@ but "1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA
>>98052, USA" still looks better to me :)
>>
>>   viktor
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:07:59 +0000, [email protected] said:
>>    
>>
>>>I double-dog dare you to find me a user (I mean an end user, not a client
>>>who 
>>>think s/he knows "what user's want") ... find me a user that actually
>>>cares 
>>>about the URLs.
>>>
>>>They might care if they can't bookmark a URL and come back later.  They
>>>might 
>>>care if the URL is broken.  But I double-dog dare you to find me a user
>>>that 
>>>cares about the difference between "/products/food/fruit/apple" and
>>>"/app?
>>>service=catalog&sp=food&sp=fruit&sp=apple".  We're not
>>>talking 
>>>telegrams here; nobody's paying by the letter (well, maybe on WAP).
>>>
>>>The only difference is that users of the Tapestry app will be less
>>>inclined to 
>>>second guess the URL construction by manually hacking the URL, and
>>>therefore 
>>>less likely to be frustrated when it doesn't work.
>>>
>>>Also, the fact that users are trying to second guess and circumvent your 
>>>application means that your app has a usuability problem ... and it isn't
>>>the 
>>>format of your URLs.
>>>
>>>You Are Not Your Users.
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>  
>>  [email protected]
>>
>>-- 
>>http://fastmail.fm - The professional email service
>>    
>>





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