Re: Checking in on the project

Richard,

I'll see if I can get a site up with some info and with a download and 
setup instructions.

Pete


Richard Houston wrote:

>Hey Peter,
>
>Your right, it is way more then just htmling the green screen, but in it's
>most basic form that is one of the things it can do. We had to do several
>labs at the tech preview I was talking about and I was able to get a bunch
>of the "cool" HATS features going and I am not a programmer at all.
>Licensing is not all that bad as well if you already are using WebSphere.
>
>For my client we are looking at just what web5250 is doing. Can I get a
>copy of the latest code and a quick how to set it up?
>
>
>
>
>Best regards,
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>On Fri, October 14, 2005 2:37 pm, Pete Helgren wrote:
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>>Richard,
>>
>>
>>HATS and Web5250 are a little different from one another.  Web5250 is
>>more like iSeries Access for Web, which I finally saw at Common last month
>>in Orlando.  Web5250 presents a "green screen" in a browser, pretty much
>>all.  Now, iSeries Access for Web does a heckofalot more than that, but
>>basically, that is it.
>>
>>Screen shot like so: (I can't remember if they will display on the list
>>or not so I'll try it):
>>
>>
>>
>>That is really all the Web5250 is.
>>
>>
>>I need to get a live link established and get my website updated to show
>>where this project is.  But, the concept is 5250 in a browser.  HATS (I
>>think) is more "invasive" in the look and feel area.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard Houston wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>Just wanted to chiming on this topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>I was at a proof of technologies at IBM here on HATS
>>>http://www-306.ibm.com/software/webservers/hats/
>>>
>>>
>>>It basically turns the 5250 screens into pure HTML. The development env
>>> only works on windows right now which suck for m 400 based client as
>>>they run Linux on the desktop. Nice this about hats is that there is no
>>>code changes required on the 400 side. You can customize the layout and
>>>such as well so it can look nothing like your green screen apps at all.
>>>Kind of
>>>cool.
>>>
>>>I, personally, would like to see some sort of OSS version out there and
>>>I
>>>think this is what web5250 we aiming for. Maybe with enough effort
>>>web5250 could do the same. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Best regards,
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>>>
>>>On Fri, October 14, 2005 9:48 am, Pete Helgren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks Wim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This sounds "exactly" like what I had in mind a couple of years ago.
>>>>Seems to me that the "mapping" concept would be fairly
>>>>straight-forward (probably a lot harder to do than it sounded...) This
>>>>is very cool and Swing would be a good fit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you looked at Java Server Faces at all?  I saw a demo of a JSF
>>>>app that looked very "Swing-like" but was all HTML and mostly a server
>>>>side implementation.  I have been meaning to take a look at it in more
>>>>detail and see how difficult the coding is.  The JSP/Struts/Tiles
>>>>approach has always been too complex to me and JSF *seemed* to
>>>>simplify that.  I need to take a look at it soon but it might give you
>>>>a richer-looking UI without the client side hassles of Swing.  Mapping
>>>>to JSF components might be a possibility.  I'll look into it when I
>>>>have a chance to see what you are doing.
>>>>
>>>>One other idea I had in the "screen scraping" area was a "static"
>>>>mapping option that would allow you to actually change the component
>>>>layout at the client end.  Rather than doing the transformation on the
>>>>fly, you could create "map file" and use that instead.  Not sure how
>>>>to implement that though.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the information on the code pages and the good news on the
>>>> code page support in JT400.  That should take care of it!
>>>>
>>>>Look forward to hearing more about the screen scraper....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pete Helgren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>Hello Pete,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>great to hear some acitivity from this corner.
>>>>>
>>>>>The screenscraper works for one of our customers and is tailored to
>>>>> their screen layouts. Still have to do some bugfixes for them
>>>>>shortly, so I can send some screenshots on the list to give an idea
>>>>>to what it looks like. We were now discussing internally whether we
>>>>>were going to apply the scraper to our own screens, or build some
>>>>>kind of Swing gui components on top of the stream: a table for a
>>>>>subfile, a label for static text, a textfield for fields etc. The
>>>>>idea is to be able to build swing panels that read and write their
>>>>>data from the screen. The buttons and menu's would call function
>>>>>keys etc to do screen transitions and move to the next swing panel.
>>>>>What do you think? For us it is just to be
>>>>>able to quickly roll out GUIs until we find the time to reengineer
>>>>>the apps in full GUI apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>The 1200 codepage is provided in JT400. However I can not find the
>>>>>1208. I wonder however if those are supported if they're not in de
>>>>>toolbox. Or are the numbers provider here not the AS/400 numberings?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>wim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>*Pete Helgren <[email protected]>*
>>>>>Sent by: [email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>14/10/2005 15:41
>>>>>Please respond to
>>>>>[email protected]
>>>>>
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>>>>>Subject
>>>>>[Tn5250j-general] Checking in on the project
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gee....been kinda quiet around here.  Must mean we are all
>>>>>gainfully employed and busy?
>>>>>
>>>>>A couple of questions (just to blow the dust of the list!):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Wim, a while back you talked about a screenscraper project you
>>>>>were involved in that used tn5250j components.  Where are you on
>>>>>that?  I'd love to know what you are doing in that area since I
>>>>>think tn5250j has some powerful tools in that would be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Also, in general, how hard is it to add code page support,
>>>>>specifically for 1200 and 1208?  There was a post in midrange.com
>>>>>from someone looking for an emulator that supported those code
>>>>>pages.  I didn't see it in the list of supported code pages (not in
>>>>>JT400 either).
>>>>>I'd like to help this guy out if I could, I just don't know
>>>>>how difficult it is to support other code pages.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Pete Helgren
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. Kenneth are you out there ?  How is it going?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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