Re: Ibex Release

+1.

No comment other than I think you got Hurd/cathedral mixed up.  (I think
you meant that Ibex is more of a Hurd than a cathedral.)

- Charlie

On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 18:41 +1000, David Crawshaw wrote:
> I was talking to my father (an old school programmer) last night and I 
> mentioned all the work I tried to do on XWT/Ibex over the lecture 
> break.
> 
>      "Ha, I've been hearing about that thing for years
>       and you still haven't got anything to show for it."
> 
> He's right; I've been working with all of you on Ibex on and off for 
> years, and we still don't have anything. Apparently, it isn't even 
> ready for designing widgets, let along applications.
> 
> When will Ibex be usable?
> 
> Today? Tomorrow? After one more feature? It seems to me now we've 
> skipped XWT 2.0, and are going straight to XWT 3.0. Are we ever going 
> to say, "no more commits to core.ibex.org unless their bug fixes"? Are 
> we ever going to say, "the reference doesn't change without a core@ 
> vote"?
> 
> As I see it, core.ibex.org is ready for feature freeze. True, it 
> doesn't have SVG. The concept of a template still isn't completely 
> separate from user interface design. But it's bloody good. Good enough 
> to be better than all the alternatives, and good enough for me.
> 
> As I see it:
> 
> - Immediately branch core.ibex.org. Only bug fixes go into it from
>    here, all other feature development happens in a different repo.
> - Freeze the reference document as is with the core branch. Any
>    changes need to be voted on by [email protected]
> - Bug fixes must be tested *by the person writing the fix*,
>    against a stable widget demo.
> - Put all effort into a stable core release with the current
>    feature set.
> - Remove the web site we have now, put up a few static pages.
>    Give someone access to update it.
> 
> I consider this much more important than everything we've been doing 
> for the last few months. As I have said before, Ibex has become more of 
> a cathedral than Hurd. At this rate, it will be ready just in time to 
> be its Window Manager.
> 
> The only difference between Ibex and Hurd is no-one's ever heard of 
> Ibex.
> 
> After my mid-semester on Friday, I'm going to start working on 
> Wildebeest. If we haven't started coherent work on a stable branch by 
> the time I have it working, I'm going to fork the project. And instead 
> of spending hours every day trying to keep it in sync with 
> core.ibex.org, I'm going to spend the time fixing bugs and making it 
> usable for application development.
> 
> I really want to see this idea succeed. While the incredible techniques 
> use to achieve the goal are fascinating, they are meaningless to me if 
> it doesn't do anything.
> 
> -- d
> 
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