Re: The Axis Grows

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> >   That depends very much. To support something in principle and still not
> > wish to take the a particular job does not always mean bad character. If
> > there are people, and there are, who have voluntarily signed up to be in
> > the army,
>
> They signed up to defend this country, not to fight some imperialist
> anti-American war in some faroff desert based on lies and deceit.  And if
> you look deeper into it most of them signed up b/c they had no other job
> opportunities.

  There are *plenty* of job opportunities. Virtually all retailers, 
restaurants, etc. always are looking for workers. Maybe it isn't the cushiest 
job, but neither is fighting. Many of these places even offer some nice 
benefits like a health and dental plan and profit sharing -- White Castle is 
a good example of a nice employer for so-called "unskilled labor."

   Many people sign up for the military because it offers great benefits and 
great pay. There is a reason it does that.

> >  one
> > is not forcing them if one supports doing such and such with the army. It
> > was
>
> Yes, you are!!!!!  They go to the brig if they refuse, that is force by any
> measure.

  Yes, once they join they must follow orders. But, and this is important, 
they didn't have to join!

  If I were forced to fight for a cause I did not agree in, going to the brig 
would not be something I found completely out of the question, btw. 

> > their choice to do so. Supporting a draft and then dodging it would be
> > very different.
>
> Not in principle, only legally.  In principle they are exactly the same.

  Volunteer armies and manditory ones are far different in many ways. Forcing 
people to go to war not by anything related to them other than their age is a 
far more serious and complex issue than ordering a volunteer army to do the 
country's bidding.

> >   That is why I don't support a draft unless national security is
> > immediately and directly at stake (i.e. the armies are lining up on the
> > border).
>
> Right, so you don't have to fight while others do it for you, and you can
> be the cheerleader.  Actually that is why I am fully for the draft - that
> way loud-mouth war-mongers have to go too (unless you are really rich, like
> Dubya, then you can also avoid war and even desert without penalty).

  So you are for the draft so that the majority of Americans who don't want to 
be in the military, and about 50% of which don't even support most military 
action the U.S. commits, must be forced to fight? You support this even 
though, by your own argument, these wars are brought on by the almost 
unstoppable power of the TLC and not the will of the people?

  -Tim

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