Re: [Fwd: Re: checking for GTK and glib in configure.in.in ?]

"Aaron J. Seigo" <[email protected]>
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On Friday 08 August 2003 09:45, Navindra Umanee wrote:
> James Richard Tyrer <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 	Yes, new people are not welcomed ... .
> >
> > Is this really the way it is?  That KDE is a clique and new people
> > are truly not welcome?

how many people involved in KDE today were involved at day 0 (implying that at 
some point they were new)? how many new patch contributors have we seen 
recently? how many "i'm new and have questions" emails to the mailing lists 
have been given solid, welcoming replies?

there were over 100 new CVS accounts created so far this year...

in my experience with KDE, as long as you contribute to the project in a 
positive fashion, you are more than welcome. i've watched countless new 
people come and go. some stay longer than others, as is to be expected. but 
even those who pop up with just a few patches and then disappear back into 
the aether are generally welcomed. i can't even keep up with all the new 
names; i'm constantly running into people i haven't talked to previously who 
are doing something with KDE.

true, i've seen complaints that KDE is not open enough previously, but those 
complaints have tended to come from people who didn't get what they 
personally wanted (which happens to all of us at one point or another) and/or 
who, for whatever reason, really like to get into pissing matches with other 
contributors...

if you compare the openness of KDE with any other major open source project, 
you will find that KDE is very open. even though it's open, KDE tends to not 
be overly permissive, lackadaisical, uncarring, unprofessional or without the 
concept of personal responsibility. unfortunately, some seem to conflate some 
of those attitudes with the notion of "openness".

> This is the full quote:
>
> "Yes, new people are not welcomed but only if they misbehave. Like
> getting in the way, when it does not help the overall goal, KDE..."
>
> I think he is referring to trolls/troublemakers/abusers specifically.

such as when people take quotes out of context to stir up debate? =/

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Aaron J. Seigo
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