Re: Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Gustav Degreef <[email protected]> Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:15:23 +0200
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Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions. I was only aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts. 1) In my case, there is no ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher directory.| In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf AddModule "espeak" "sd-espeak" "espeak.conf" is the only uncommented line in the relevant section.| 2) the command spd-say "Hello" outputs only one normal sounding voice. 3) I looked at https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html> but can't figure out what program to use, what command to run or what code to download to compile. I tried every variation of commands such as "Qt text-to-speech example", "QtTextToSpeech example" and many others without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what I might be missing. I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code without success. 4. The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth. On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: > Gustav, > > This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some > explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If you're > already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help find the cause. > > Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various > synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually configured so > one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for > example if the default doesn't support the wanted language a fallback > synthesizer can be used. > > Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc. use > to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows, > voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.) > > Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher > using libspeechd so isn't going through Qt's text-to-speech library. > > Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down: > > 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to use > by default. If festival is not running it's likely espeak-ng. spd-conf > or sending along or checking yourself your > ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is > default. > 2. If spd-say "Hello" from a command line sounds ok and doesn't > duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the problem. > 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html> <-- may > need to build from source, unless your distribution happens to have a > package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the > problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself. > 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in okular's > use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it's trying to run 2 audio > jobs at the same time possibly?) > > Hope that helps narrow it down a bit. > > thanks, > Jeremy > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the double > stream > in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without Kmouth or Okular > running) festival is not running in either case. When I try to > read a > pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with Kmouth, top > DOES > NOT show Festival running in either case. In all these cases > espeak is > running, as seen in top. When Okular and Kmouth are putting out > the two > simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak, ALL speech > output stops.  I have no idea of how to track this down > further. The > problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in Firefox. > Thanks, Gustav. > > On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many > voices from many > > countries available to use. So you don't want to be running > espeak or you > > don't want to be running festival-server one or the other. > That should > > solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth configuration it starts up > > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to leave you with > > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine. > > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never seen in > this life. > > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing it and > see how far > > I don't get. I did software testing for the federal government > before > > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several ssd and > sata disks > > I can use. > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote: > > > >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful reply. I > really appreciate > >> your taking this seriously.  I tried Kmouth again (after > years). It has: > >> > >> 1) the same problem as Okular. It speaks the text in > two simultaneous > >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding voice) > of the same text > >> so the output is incomprehensible. > >> 2) no way to stop the speech output. No pause and no resume. > >> 3) It opens a separate window, that I have to look for it > on the taskbar - > >> when it is in the background. > >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another > application), I have > >> to navigate to the start button (or other button), this > is cumbersome. > >> > >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted person, but > for the partially > >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration. A typical task I > do is writing > >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back to me the > sentences, > >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a > sitting).  This helps > >> in revising and editing any significant work. The > difference in functionality > >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other tasks) are > pretty huge. > >> > >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease of use > of Jovie, > >> great. I appreciate your efforts, Gustav > >> > >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: > >>> Gustav, Simon, > >>> > >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't > considered those > >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one of the > following to > >>> remedy the situation. > >>> > >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth. > >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it has bit > rotted > >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so. > >>> > >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some love and > attention anyway. > >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following > features to be > >>> feature complete with the use cases described above. > >>> > >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control over the > queue to > >>> remove entries, etc. > >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices quickly. > >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able to speak, > play, stop, > >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had. > >>> d) Speak clipboard contents. > >>> > >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice settings that > were separate > >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we should be > able to control > >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.) directly > by manipulating > >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the > configuration gui > >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's .conf > files and have a > >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them. I'm not > sure if that's > >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet or not. If > not it > >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other items should > be pretty > >>> straightforward. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> Jeremy > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>   Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to address this > directly. > >>> > >>>   In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is indispensable > for those of us > >>>   who are partially sighted (not blind).? In my > opinion, a screen > >>>   reader > >>>   (very useful for the blind) actually gets in the way > for people > >>>   like me. > >>>   ? ? Jovie does a very simple and > straightforward task - it reads > >>>   the most > >>>   recent content of the clipboard.? Jovie allows for > selecting text > >>>   (and > >>>   reading it out) in virtually all of the major > applications/tasks (and > >>>   virtually all others) that a primarily desktop user > needs for > >>>   every day > >>>   use.? Those functions/tasks where? > jovie/replacement is needed are: > >>> > >>>   1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate > >>>   2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird > >>>   3) browser - imc Firefox > >>>   4) pdf reader - imc Okular > >>>   5) word processor - imc LibreOffice > >>>   6) text from "program to user output" (error messages, > text boxes, > >>>   command line output, etc). > >>>   7) miscellaneous programs not so often used. > >>> > >>>   In my experience/opinion: > >>>   Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and requires too > many steps. > >>>   using the command line adds several steps that disturb > the flow of > >>>   work, > >>>   it is not simple to have to switch windows and then > have to type a > >>>   command. > >>> > >>>   Indispensable (for partially sighted) aspects of Jovie > or Jovie > >>>   replacement: > >>> > >>>   1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks or steps or > commands to get > >>>   speech output. - ideal use is with mouse or keyboard > shortcut. > >>>   Currently > >>>   jovie takes three simple steps with mouse or keyboard > shortcut - text > >>>   select, text copy,? then start/etc. speech output. > >>>   2) being able to select all or ONLY part of a piece of > text - with > >>>   the > >>>   mouse or shortcut. > >>>   3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume speech output > with mouse or > >>>   shortcut. > >>>   4) Sits in system tray or functions from menu that > appears on right > >>>   click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut). > >>> > >>> > >>>   There are currently add ons to programs that COULD > fulfill most of > >>>   these > >>>   requirements,? however they do not all work well: > >>> > >>>   1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in function for tts. > >>>   2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin: very limited, it > reads the ENTIRE > >>>   message with some headers. Does not allow for > selecting a portion > >>>   of the > >>>   text, can't stop, can't pause/resume.? Totally > inadequate for a > >>>   bottom > >>>   posted list message. > >>>   3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:? works quite well, > has all needed > >>>   functions. > >>>   4) Okular - nice built in tts function, easy to select > text, right > >>>   click > >>>   mouse to output speech.? However it outputs (at > least on > >>>   opensuse) two > >>>   simultaneous speech streams (of the same text) with > different > >>>   voices and > >>>   it is impossible to understand. > >>>   5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but it is cumbersome > and adds > >>>   several > >>>   steps.? It has a nice feature to output the > contents of the > >>>   clipboard > >>>   but it requires too many steps. > >>>   6) program to user output - kmouth or command line > seem the only > >>>   alternative to Jovie > >>>   7) miscellaneous programs (with no plugins or built in > tts)? - > >>>   same as 6) > >>> > >>>   It seems clear that a lot of developers are aware/are > working on > >>>   tts for > >>>   various programs, and that is very encouraging and > great. However, > >>>   it is > >>>   a time of great transition and the tts functions > (without Jovie) are > >>>   quite inadequate for the partially sighted (for > example, from macular > >>>   degeneration which is fairly common). Thanks, Gustav. > >>> > >>>   On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote: > >>>   > Hello all, > >>>   > > >>>   > I've been quietly watching this conversation for a > bit but need to > >>>   > chime in here. I'm the one that changed the name > from ktts to Jovie > >>>   > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie itself when > QtSpeech came > >>>   about. > >>>   > I'm very curious about what use cases there still > are for Jovie. > >>>   > Shortly before the name change from ktts to Jovie it was > >>>   drastically > >>>   > changed to just be a gui on top of > Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a > >>>   > library does the same thing but has no gui, is only > useful from > >>>   > applications. My question is what do you use Jovie > for exactly? > >>>   Here > >>>   > are the ways replacements using QtSpeech "Just Work" > in my mind. > >>>   > > >>>   > Want to hear notifications from any KDE application > like Jovie/ktts > >>>   > did? Turn that on in the application's notifications > >>>   configuration. It > >>>   > uses QtSpeech to speak the notification, title, > message or both. > >>>   Just > >>>   > like it did previously with ktts/jovie. > >>>   > Want to read a document out loud? Use Okular's > QtSpeech actions in > >>>   > it's menu. It sends either the selected text or the > current page > >>>   to be > >>>   > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly for listening > to the document. > >>>   > Want to read out loud a web article of some kind? > Use Firefox's tts > >>>   > features to read it out to you. It doesn't use > QtSpeech, but > >>>   interacts > >>>   > with speech-dispatcher directly if I recall correctly. > >>>   > Want to type some text and hear it spoken? This can > be done in a > >>>   > number of ways. 1. spd-say command line tool. 2. > espeak or > >>>   espeak-ng > >>>   > or festival, or pico or any other tts directly from > command > >>>   line. 3. > >>>   > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a gui. KMouth uses > >>>   speech-dispatcher > >>>   > directly if I recall correctly and provides a nice > gui with a > >>>   > customizable dictionary of commonly used words, etc. > >>>   > > >>>   > With the above, what is the use of Jovie anymore? If > there's a use > >>>   > case that isn't covered by the above we can > certainly revive > >>>   Jovie and > >>>   > fill the gap if there is one, but in my mind the > above uses are > >>>   > already covered. > >>>   > > >>>   > thanks, > >>>   > Jeremy Whiting > >>>   > > >>>   > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude DaShiell > >>>   <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>   > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > >>>   > > >>>   >? ? ? Quite agree with you on that > score.??? A new version of > >>>   redcore > >>>   >? ? ? Linux is > >>>   >? ? ? available for download and it has a > very current kernel > >>>   and its > >>>   >? ? ? default > >>>   >? ? ? desktop is kde plasma.??? Maybe > one thing jovie might do > >>>   when > >>>   >? ? ? started up is > >>>   >? ? ? to locate something like espeak-ng > or espeak or > >>>   speech-dispatcher and > >>>   >? ? ? start those up first then come up on > its own.??? If it finds > >>>   >? ? ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the > user to run spd-conf > >>>   to get > >>>   >? ? ? speech-dispatcher configured > correctly but could generate > >>>   a default > >>>   >? ? ? spd.conf file and let the user know > that it's there and maybe > >>>   >? ? ? reconfigure > >>>   >? ? ? if problems arise. > >>>   > > >>>   > > >>>   >? ? ? On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef > wrote: > >>>   > > >>>   >? ? ? > Festival was not much of an > improvement in voice > >>>   quality.??? > >>>   >? ? ? Embrola, as you > >>>   >? ? ? > say, was too difficult to > configure.??? I'll check out > >>>   Fenrir, > >>>   >? ? ? and tdsr but the > >>>   >? ? ? > voice quality is TOTALLY secondary > - a smoothly working > >>>   >? ? ? jovie/espeak (or > >>>   >? ? ? > equivalent) is quite adequate to > get things done.??? > >>>   Which in > >>>   >? ? ? theend is really > >>>   >? ? ? > the important thing. Gustav > >>>   >? ? ? > > >>>   >? ? ? > On 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell > wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > > fenrir and tdsr are a couple > more to check out and > >>>   mbrola and > >>>   >? ? ? festival can > >>>   >? ? ? > > maybe help the human speech > situation though not easily > >>>   >? ? ? configured. > >>>   >? ? ? > > > >>>   >? ? ? > > > >>>   >? ? ? > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav > Degreef wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > > > >>>   >? ? ? > >> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts > quite some years ago.???? > >>>   >? ? ? Qtspeech is supposed > >>>   >? ? ? > >> to > >>>   >? ? ? > >> be a partial replacement, but > there is no frontend > >>>   program to > >>>   >? ? ? manage the > >>>   >? ? ? > >> output of speechdispatcher > (like Jovie). ??? e-speak > >>>   works > >>>   >? ? ? fine for me, but > >>>   >? ? ? > >> bothers everyne else who > listens to my computer > >>>   outptut (my > >>>   >? ? ? partner and > >>>   >? ? ? > >> friends).???? e-speak is > clear enough, just does > >>>   not sound > >>>   >? ? ? like a person.??? > >>>   >? ? ? > >> Good, > >>>   >? ? ? > >> I'll look into espeak-ng, > thanks! Gustav > >>>   >? ? ? > >> > >>>   >? ? ? > >> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude > DaShiell wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I had read somewhere ktts was > supposed to have replaced > >>>   >? ? ? jovie.??? Also, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> espeak-ng is a successor to > espeak.??? It's good > >>>   you got any > >>>   >? ? ? of this > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> working. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> ---------- Forwarded message > ---------- Date: Thu, > >>>   21 Oct > >>>   >? ? ? 2021 04:36:27 > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> From: Gustav Degreef > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>   <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>   >? ? ? <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > >>>   To: Simion > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>   <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>>, > >>>   >? ? ? [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>   <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>   <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>   >? ? ? Subject: Re: Is there a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> project that is jovie successor? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> Hi Simion, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> Thanks for your input and > effort.????? ????? I > >>>   carefuly looked > >>>   >? ? ? over everything > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> you > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> mentioned, including the > script but it has taken me > >>>   a long > >>>   >? ? ? time.????? ????? I > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> only > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> have a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> rudimentary?????? knowledge of > >>>   scripts.????? ????? ????? So > >>>   >? ? ? modifying or writing > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> scripts > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> is beyond > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> my current possibility, > especially with my vision > >>>   >? ? ? problems.????? ????? But it > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> really > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> helped me to look everything > over.????? ????? I > >>>   decided the > >>>   >? ? ? best way was to go > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> back > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> to > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> trying to install it from the > opensuse > >>>   repos.????? ????? I had > >>>   >? ? ? failed the first > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> time and > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> created a great confusion in > my setup. But it was a > >>>   spare > >>>   >? ? ? "test" setup on > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> separate > partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of > >>>   time cleaning > >>>   >? ? ? up the repos, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> updating and > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> cleaning up. And now Jovie > works on opensuse > >>>   15.3!????? ????? > >>>   >? ? ? The packages come > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> from > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> unofficial repos, but someone > else with the tech > >>>   knowhow has > >>>   >? ? ? put it > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> together.????? ? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I am "forced" to upgrade soon, > since the opensuse > >>>   15.2 EOL > >>>   >? ? ? is soon.????? ???? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> But > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> now I > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> can move forward hopefully for > another 1.5 years, > >>>   the life > >>>   >? ? ? of 15.3 until a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> better solution > comes.????? ????? I hope you or > >>>   someone else > >>>   >? ? ? can help come up > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> with > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> replacement for > Jovie.????? ????? Thanks for your > >>>   >? ? ? efforts.????? ????? Gustav. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> p.s. I'm posting back on the > list in case it may help > >>>   >? ? ? someone else. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav > Degreef wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> Hi Gustav, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I personally would try to > compile it, if I am > >>>   unable I > >>>   >? ? ? would try first a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> simple bash script, the > issue with next script is > >>>   that is not > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> queuing????????????? the > tasks so you can get 2 > >>>   speakers at > >>>   >? ? ? the same time > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> or > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> you > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> can edit the script to > "killall" previous taks (so an > >>>   >? ? ? application that > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> runs > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> in background would be > needed to improve the > >>>   experience) > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> #! /bin/bash > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> xclip -out -selection > primary | xclip -in > >>>   -selection clipboard > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " > " | espeak > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> #end script > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> or maybe python or nodejs > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I am tempted to write > something to do some > >>>   cleanup on the > >>>   >? ? ? input, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> like when I want to read an > entire reddit page of > >>>   omments > >>>   >? ? ? would be nice > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> if > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> could????????????? clean it > up????????????? > >>>   first and remove > >>>   >? ? ? all the > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> "reply/report > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> ..." buttons labels > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> The reason I decided that in > future I would use > >>>   espeak is > >>>   >? ? ? because in my > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> current configuration jovie > uses speech > >>>   dispatcher and > >>>   >? ? ? speech dispatcher > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> uses > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra > layer so a new placed > >>>   that > >>>   >? ? ? could cause > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> problems > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice > to have if you plant > >>>   to write a > >>>   >? ? ? cross > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> operating > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> system desktop application). > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I have no plans to upgrade > from my system > >>>   >? ? ? soon,????????????? maybe when I > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> will > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> upgrade my computer or I am > forced to upgrade. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> You probably need to install > and configure > >>>   espeak, the > >>>   >? ? ? language and > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> speed, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> you can have a key bind > to????????????? run the > >>>   script, you > >>>   >? ? ? can modify the > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> script > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> to????????????? add > something like "killall > >>>   espeak" to stop > >>>   >? ? ? the previous > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> Sorry I can't help more. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> Regards, Simion > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> Hi Simion, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> Thanks for taking the time > and for your effort. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav > Degreef wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> Hi Simion, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed > reply.????????????? I use > >>>   >? ? ? opensuse leap 15.2 > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> with > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> KDE > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. > ????????????? Jovie > >>>   continues to > >>>   >? ? ? work fine even > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> though > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> it has been > deprecated.????????????? However, > >>>   it no longer > >>>   >? ? ? works on > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> opensuse > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life > is in December this year. > >>>   >? ? ? Someone has built > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the > Open Build Service of > >>>   Suse, but > >>>   >? ? ? I could not > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> get > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> it > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> to install properly, I > think it's due to the Qt > >>>   changes, > >>>   >? ? ? I got a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> dependency > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> mess. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> I have been trying to find > a replacement for > >>>   Jovie for 3 > >>>   >? ? ? years at > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> least, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> since it was clear it would > no longer be > >>>   >? ? ? maintained.????????????? Read > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> Aloud > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> is > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that > fills all the browser > >>>   needs. > >>>   >? ? ? Thunderbird also > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> has > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it > only works for > >>>   single emails > >>>   >? ? ? and top posted > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> replies, list messages, > etc.????????????? It > >>>   reads only > >>>   >? ? ? from top to > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> bottom > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> without being able to > select only parts of the > >>>   >? ? ? mail.?????????? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> LibreOffice > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin > that even reads the > >>>   clipboard > >>>   >? ? ? contents, but > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> it > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> is cumbersome.???????????? > Okular has a nice TTS > >>>   function, > >>>   >? ? ? but it often > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> starts > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> two different simultaneous > but voices of the > >>>   same text > >>>   >? ? ? which can't be > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> understood.???????????? > Sometimes id functions > >>>   >? ? ? fine.????????????? That is > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> where I > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and > periodically to read out error > >>>   >? ? ? messages, text > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> boxes > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is > indispensable and for > >>>   which I > >>>   >? ? ? don't have an > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> adequate > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> substitute). > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> Any > suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile > >>>   Jovie from > >>>   >? ? ? a tar > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> binary?????????????? Or > are you seriously > >>>   thinking of > >>>   >? ? ? building a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> replacement > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> for > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion > wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem , > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no > Simon, don't worry it > >>>   is OK > >>>   >? ? ? just want to > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> mention > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like > typos in emails > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my > fork with a few > >>>   crash fixes > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I > use directly espeak . > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to > give up on Jovie but my > >>>   >? ? ? conclussion was to not > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> use > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my > own replacement, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> since I would not need > some crossplatform > >>>   solution I > >>>   >? ? ? could probably > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> make > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> python application , or > even something that > >>>   runs in the > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   browser???????????????????????????????????????????????? > >>>   >? ? ? or nodejs. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I > can still compile > >>>   jovie , I > >>>   >? ? ? have a keyboard > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my > workflow is to copy > >>>   paste stuff > >>>   >? ? ? in clipboard > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> and > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> using my keys I can > play/pause/resume. I still use > >>>   >? ? ? espeak as backend > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, > Gustav Degreef wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on > the accessibility > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>   list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I > >>>   >? ? ? also have > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> serious > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> eye > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>   > blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I > >>>   >? ? ? have been > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> using > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Jovie > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer > time for years and I > >>>   am trying > >>>   >? ? ? to find a > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> replacement for > >>>   >? ? > ? it.???????????????????????????????????????????????? In > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> my > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader > is not > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>   suitable.??????????????????????????????????????????? > >>>   >? ? ? Excuse me for > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> writing > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you > >>>   >? ? > ? directly.???????????????????????????????????????????????? > >>>   Can I ask > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> more about this > >>>   >? ? > ? issue?????????????????????????????????????????????? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Gustav > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, > Simion wrote: > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that > jovie is not be ported > >>>   to KDE5 > >>>   >? ? ? and that the > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> idea > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't > find if someone > >>>   started a > >>>   >? ? ? replacement for > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> jovie > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet. > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate > QtSpeech and see if it > >>>   works > >>>   >? ? ? properly on > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Linux, > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> if > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a > project started is there any > >>>   >? ? ? interest in it? > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>   >? ? ? > >> > >>>   >? ? ? > >> > >>>   >? ? ? > > >>>   >? ? ? > > >>>   >? ? ? > > >>>   > > >>> > >> > >> >