Re: [devel] Cooperation with Skolelinux / Automation of Building Live-CDs in future

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On 2004-01-04 15:16, Kurt Pfeifle wrote:
> [...double posting may occur...]
> I have looked around more closely at the Skolelinux project
>
>      http://developer.skolelinux.no/arkitektur/arkitektur.html.en
>      http://developer.skolelinux.no/
>
> As you may know, Skolelinux has started in Norway, but is now expanding
> into the world (various contries with localisation projects). It is
> basically a volunteer project, but it receives already of sponsoring
> by governments, including 4 fulltime developers in Norway.

Also interesting to know that we're in the process of merging with the
debian-edu project. International support in Skolelinux is building
(currently we support 14 languages, and 19 locales :-), with more and more
non-norwegians getting involved with the development.

> They are
> developing a Debian-based distro which is fit to serve in schools
> and educational places, complete with server infrastructure and
> desktops (via terminal services).

even better we're a CDD in development[1], a high-level overview of the
Skolelinux setup is found in [2] (available in da, de, en, nl, nb, and
pt_BR versions).

> I have also exchanged some private mails with Knut Yrvin, the project
> leader, after he posted on the UserLinux list (hey, he uses KMail).

and so do all default Skolelinux installs :-)

> * It seems they have a complete build infrastructure in place, which
>    is able to semi-automatically build Live-CDs (with either GNOME
>    or KDE pre-selected). This should be a first point to seek their
>    cooperation, medium and long-term. Maybe Mark could also try to
>    contact them, independent from me?

Skolelinux currently uses KDE 2.2 by default (as we take stable as a base),
GNOME isn't included on the install-CD (though available from any
Debian-mirror). We don't use backports unless absolutely necessary to avoid
having to support the packages directly (as opposed of getting this from
Debian-proper for free). Support for newer versions of KDE on stable could
be another point of cooperation

The live-cd's can be found at [3].

> * We should definitively try to cooperate as closely as possible with
>    them. They have already completed a lot of work regarding server
>    infrastructure (including definition of LDAP schemes etc.). They
>    have drafted product concept catalogues.

primary person to talk to regarding the LDAP work is Andreas Schuldei
(andreas @ skolelinux no).

There will probably be a LDAP-BOF at FreeEDEM (21-22 february in Brussels,
next to FOSDEM), with (at least) people from Skolelinux, SUSE school server 
(1 of the developers already agreed to come), any chance that any of you 
would be
able to make it?

>     They have experience with
>    "enterprise-like environments" (design, requirements, rollouts) and
>    have some working installations already.

yep, especially in Norway and Germany (growing *fast* with respect to
Skolelinux) there's a fair number of rollouts. An incomplete list of
Norwegian schools using Skolelinux can be found at [4].

the german group has started working on formal qualityManagement documents
(see [5]), with a first draft of a requirements Specification ready.

> * Could we have a "dot" story about them? An interview with their
>    project leaders, maybe?

that would be great :-)


[1] http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian
[2] http://developer.skolelinux.no/arkitektur/arkitektur.html.en
[3] ftp://ftp.skolelinux.no/skolelinux/knoppixes/
[4] http://www.skolelinux.no/testskoler/
     (with an in progress map at
      http://www.skolelinux.no/testskoler/map/skolelinux-norway.png )
[5]http://developer.skolelinux.no/qualityManagement/README.QualityManagement
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Bart Cornelis (aka cobaco):
    Coördinator Belgisch Skolelinux team
    Coördinator Nederlandse Skolelinux vertaling
Skolelinux België- http://i18n.skolelinux.no/belgium
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