Re: Quanta Digest, Vol 67, Issue 12

Thanks for all the advice, I have submitted the bug, I see one other person
has also reported it.  I will try Sitecopy as it looks good. I think I will
also get hold of Konqueror too as it may help with stability.

Cheers,
Susan


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> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:33:37 +1030
> From: Melchior Mazzone <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] PHP class completion
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> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:30:29 pm Niko Sams wrote:
> > The CodeCompletion for Quanta3 is pretty simple. It parses the current
> > file plus included files.
> > But it doesn't know about other classes/functions that might be
> > avaliable in the current file.
>
> This mostly works for me - it's loading the classes (and methods) out of my
> included files, it just misses some of them.  Is the only way to refresh
> the
> cache to reload the project?  (assuming there is a cache).
>
> > Quanta4 will solve this by showing every class and function in the
> > currently open projects.
>
> This will be awesome.  I look forward to it! :)
>
> Melchior
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> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:13:25 +0200
> From: "Niko Sams" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] PHP class completion
> To: "Melchior Mazzone" <[email protected]>,       "Quanta users
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> > This mostly works for me - it's loading the classes (and methods) out of
> my
> > included files, it just misses some of them.  Is the only way to refresh
> the
> > cache to reload the project?  (assuming there is a cache).
> Sorry, but i know nothing about the internals of Quanta3
>
> Niko
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:56:29 +0100
> From: "Susan Penter" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> what exactly do you mean "crashes Ubuntu"?
> what protocol does the upload site use, and does it work in konqueror?
>
> 1) the screen goes black shows some text and then I get my login window.
>
> 2) The site uses FTP and the same settings work fine in both filezilla or
> Kompozer. I do not use Konqueror I have Ubuntu and use Firefox.
>
> I have several sites set up now to upload but I can't trust the upload to
> web button at all, occasionally it has given me the menu so I can choose
> the
> pages and then it uploads quickly like a dream however yesterday it crashed
> - see above and then I opened Quanta and tried again and it crashed again.
> It is a bit of a pain but I'm having to do the work in Qunata and then go
> across to Filezilla  to upload it - unless there is a bug fix I do not have
> the time to keep re loging in and having to open all my software each time.
>
> Thanks for any advice (I am an advanced user but not a programmer but I can
> follow instructions)
>
> Susan
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> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:34:04 +0200
> From: "Niko Sams" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> > 1) the screen goes black shows some text and then I get my login window.
> oh. No application should be able to do that. I can't help you on this,
> sorry.
>
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> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:49:10 +0100
> From: Andrew Wigglesworth <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> On Saturday 25 October 2008 14:56:29 Susan Penter wrote:
> > what exactly do you mean "crashes Ubuntu"?
> > what protocol does the upload site use, and does it work in konqueror?
> >
> > 1) the screen goes black shows some text and then I get my login window.
> >
> > 2) The site uses FTP and the same settings work fine in both filezilla or
> > Kompozer. I do not use Konqueror I have Ubuntu and use Firefox.
> >
> > I have several sites set up now to upload but I can't trust the upload to
> > web button at all, occasionally it has given me the menu so I can choose
> > the pages and then it uploads quickly like a dream however yesterday it
> > crashed - see above and then I opened Quanta and tried again and it
> crashed
> > again. It is a bit of a pain but I'm having to do the work in Qunata and
> > then go across to Filezilla  to upload it - unless there is a bug fix I
> do
> > not have the time to keep re loging in and having to open all my software
> > each time.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice (I am an advanced user but not a programmer but I
> can
> > follow instructions)
> >
> > Susan
>
> Hi,
>
> I think you should look at maybe placing a bug report with Ubuntu, they are
> the ones who compiled your installation of Quanta, and will be the only
> ones
> who can begin to try to sort it it out.
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/reportproblem
>
> This is not a process of fobbing you off, it's just that in the GNU/Linux
> world, this is the way that things happen. It's unlikely that anyone on
> this
> list will be able to answer your specific problem (unless they're the
> Debian
> or Ubuntu Quanta package maintainer).
>
> The point being, that Ubuntu derive their packaging from Debian who take it
> from the individual projects and adapt stuff to work together as the Debian
> GNU/Linux distribution.  Ubuntu of course also make changes themselves, so
> this is where you should start.  If the problem arises further upstream
> then
> Ubuntu will pass it on to Debian, who themselves may pass information onto
> Quanta or some other project if they themselves did not originate the
> problem.
>
> The "other project" stuff may be an issue here, since the operating system
> is
> complex, the problem could well have nothing to do with Quanta at all.
>
> --
> Andrew
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:51:22 +1100
> From: Andrew Lowe <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> Susan Penter wrote:
> > what exactly do you mean "crashes Ubuntu"?
> > what protocol does the upload site use, and does it work in konqueror?
> >
> > 1) the screen goes black shows some text and then I get my login window.
> >
> As Niko said, an application can not crash your window manager/desktop
> environment - it sounds like a bug with that...
> > 2) The site uses FTP and the same settings work fine in both filezilla
> > or Kompozer. I do not use Konqueror I have Ubuntu and use Firefox.
> >
> The reason Konqueror is suggested is because KDE applications all use
> KIO slaves to do work with files, this way we can be transparently
> working over ftp, sftp, ssh (fish), http, or local files, without the
> application having to write its own protocol handler.  If ftp works in
> Konqueror, and not in Quanta, then there is something wrong with the way
> Quanta is handling the kio slave, else if they both crash, then it would
> be a bug with the kio slave.  You could try Kate or kwrite or any other
> kde application that supports your protocol, just to test this
> functionality.
> And Konqueror is a most excellent advanced file manager that can work on
> remote files just as well as local, not just a browser...
> > I have several sites set up now to upload but I can't trust the upload
> > to web button at all, occasionally it has given me the menu so I can
> > choose the pages and then it uploads quickly like a dream however
> > yesterday it crashed - see above and then I opened Quanta and tried
> > again and it crashed again.  It is a bit of a pain but I'm having to
> > do the work in Qunata and then go across to Filezilla  to upload it -
> > unless there is a bug fix I do not have the time to keep re loging in
> > and having to open all my software each time.
> >
> To check if it is a problem with a config file, you could try to rename
> the quanta config file from ~/.kde/share/config/quantarc - it contains
> all the settings changes for quanta.  Re-naming lets you copy it back if
> need be.
> You might also want to re-create the project, as it could be a setting
> in there causing problems...
> But I do think it is unrelated to Quanta, because your desktop
> environment should not crash, due to an application playing up
>
> Also provide version number of Quanta and KDE - in Quanta, go to
> help->about and post the Quanta and KDE versions
>
> Andrew Lowe
>
> > Thanks for any advice (I am an advanced user but not a programmer but
> > I can follow instructions)
> >
> > Susan
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:03:51 +0100
> From: Andrew Wigglesworth <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> Oh, and on the website updating issue.  You really should not be forced to
> use
> programmes like filezilla et al.
>
> Personally, I don't use the site updater in Quanta very much as I prefer to
> use other methods.
>
> If you are using ftp to update your website, then you should have a look at
> the excellent little utility "sitecopy".  You can install it through
> aptitude
> using the following command:
>
> apitude install sitecopy
>
> You can of course also use whatever gui packagemanager you wish, just
> remembering the name is "sitecopy".
>
>
> ### Description from the sitecopy man page ###
> sitecopy  is for copying locally stored web sites to remote web servers.  A
> single command will upload files to the server which have changed locally,
> and  delete  files  from  the server  which  have  been  removed  locally,
> to
> keep the remote site synchronized with the local site.  The aim is to
> remove
> the hassle of uploading and  deleting  individual  files using  an  FTP
> client.  Sitecopy will also optionally try to spot files you move locally,
> and move them remotely.
> #########################
>
> --
> Andrew
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>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:25:59 +0100
> From: Andrew Wigglesworth <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> On Saturday 25 October 2008 22:51:22 Andrew Lowe wrote:
> > But I do think it is unrelated to Quanta, because your desktop
> > environment should not crash, due to an application playing up
>
> I would tend to agree, which is even more reason for Susan to take it up
> with
> Ubuntu.
>
> --
> Andrew
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>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:15:44 -0400
> From: Brandon Sussman <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Quanta Crashes
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> On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:25:59 Andrew Wigglesworth wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 October 2008 22:51:22 Andrew Lowe wrote:
> > > But I do think it is unrelated to Quanta, because your desktop
> > > environment should not crash, due to an application playing up
> >
> > I would tend to agree, which is even more reason for Susan to take it up
> > with Ubuntu.
>
> I have been using Quanta happily for several years with Ubuntu and Kubuntu
> with no issues.  Be sure to bear in mind the differences between the two -
> I
> bet this turns out to be a Ubuntu/Kubuntu difference - a flaw in install
> dependencies due to the fact that bits of the KDE environment get installed
> to allow Quanta to run in a primarily Gnome environment.
>
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