Re: Facebook

On Wednesday 18 August 2010 21:33:38 Thomas Thym wrote:
> Excellent! You rock, Stu!
> 
Thanks. Was that also a "yes I'll mail the kde-ev list"? ;-)

I don't think the planet post is going to do the job now, so we should move on 
to the mailing lists

> 2010/8/18 Stuart Jarvis <[email protected]>:
> > On Saturday 14 August 2010 14:23:55 Thomas Thym wrote:
> >> +1
> >> I would publish it on planet
> > 
> > Done
> > 
> >> and on the kde-ev
> > 
> > Fancy doing this? I don't have access to such things (yet)
> > 
> >> perhaps kde-devel
> >> or another large list.
> > 
> > Yeah, good idea. Someone willing to do so? Or shall I sign myself up for
> > one and ask (might be better coming from someone known on the list)
> > 
> >> I've read the information about copyrigh infringement.
> >> http://www.facebook.com/legal/copyright.php
> >> 
> >> I think it is important to point to our intention to get in contact
> >> with the site owner not to remove the page or logo or something.
> > 
> > Absolutely. That's also one reason to favour the Trademark route (other
> > than the general lack of copyright infringement, the copyright one is
> > DMCA which does pretty much oblige them to shut down the page.
> > 
> > I'll get some feedback on wording before we go down this route.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Stu
> > 
> >> 2010/8/13, Stuart Jarvis <[email protected]>:
> >> > Hey,
> >> > 
> >> > We've discussed this before, but I've poked around and come to some
> >> > conclusions and would now like to get some definite progress on this.
> >> > 
> >> > We have two main fan pages on Facebook:
> >> > 
> >> > "KDE"
> >> > - Outdated official info, no new official conent coming in
> >> > - 3907 fans and an active fan community
> >> > - We do not know who owns this and the owner seems inactive
> >> > 
> >> > "K Desktop Environment"
> >> > - Official info kept up to date,  syndication of Dot stories and
> >> > official news
> >> > posted around releases
> >> > - 2355 fans who are reasonably active
> >> > - 5 currently active KDE people as admins (Lydia, Aaron, Will, Seb,
> >> > me) - Bad page name: there is no K Desktop Environment
> >> > - Posts I made officially to K Desktop Environment and as a fan to KDE
> >> > around
> >> > the 4.5 release day are much more liked and commented on in K Desktop
> >> > Environment - probably because official posts show up in Facebook news
> >> > feeds.
> >> > 
> >> > Some facts about Facebook:
> >> > - You cannot change a page name :-(
> >> > - You cannot easily find out who owns a page
> >> > - It sucks in general ;-)
> >> > 
> >> > If we get control of "KDE" or communication with the owner we can:
> >> > - Update the description
> >> > - Give it syndication of Dot stories as per "K Desktop Environment"
> >> > 
> >> > This is good because:
> >> > - Someone searching KDE will find and join an active and useful page
> >> > ("KDE" already has the larger fanbase, even though it lacks content
> >> > compared to "K Desktop Environment")
> >> > - We can add a note to the "K Desktop Environment" page asking new
> >> > users to sign up at "KDE" instead
> >> > - We can add a news item  and message all fans to ask them to switch
> >> > to "KDE"
> >> > - *Maybe* retire "K Desktop Environment" at some point
> >> > 
> >> > The only way of getting in touch with the owner of "KDE" seems to be
> >> > to use this form:
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/legal/copyright.php?noncopyright_n
> >> > oti ce=1 Here we can point to the use of the KDE trademark, trying to
> >> > word it as nicely
> >> > as possible (afterall the owner is probably a - perhaps inactive - KDE
> >> > person
> >> > and even if not seems to have good intentions)
> >> > This should come from someone "legally authorised to act on behalf of
> >> > the owner" of the IP rights. It's DMCA-style evil, but unless my
> >> > suggestions below
> >> > work, we don't really have other options.
> >> > 
> >> > Proposed plan:
> >> > - I will ask on planetkde.org for the owner of the KDE page to come
> >> > forward - Ask elsewhere - kde-ev mailing list?
> >> > - If we haven't identified the owner within two weeks (of asking, not
> >> > of now) I
> >> > can make a request to Facebook using the form above. For this I would
> >> > like the
> >> > express approval of a board member (the "legally authorised to act on
> >> > behalf of the owner" bit) or for one of them/Claudia to make the
> >> > request. - Once we have contact or admin control of "KDE" we/I can set
> >> > it up the same way as K Desktop environment and start on the 'good'
> >> > stuff above.
> >> > 
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Stu
> >> > 
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