Re: 'diversification'

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Stuart Jarvis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 October 2010 14:05:17 Justin Kirby wrote:
> Heh, seems I never remember to reply to anything nowadays until you do :-)
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> > One is the multitude of communication platforms openSUSE has. KDE is
>> > doing reasonably well: kde.org is the home page, dot is the 'official'
>> > news site,
>> > and planet is for community contributions. But now there is
>> > projects.kde.org,
>> > with it's own news feed.
>
> That freaked me out when I discovered it, but then I realised it's 'just' a
> front end to the git projects (I hope?). Syndicating it into some of our other
> news channels could be good though (www front page?)

Yes. KDE Projects ( projects.kde.org ) is a frontend to our Git
projects, which also allows them to provide some information on what
they are and some news on the project ( likely just announcing the
latest release )

It also provides the "tree" of projects, to determine their module (
such as playground/base for instance )

>
> In general, ever time I find another .kde.org subdomain I imaging God killing a
> kitten. discover.kde.org, spread.kde.org - just a couple among many zombies...
>
>> > It's great but maybe think about integrating
>> > things a
>> > bit more somehow? Showing the news on planet or something, I dunno...
>
> Planet has a config option to include Dot articles (Jonathan and myself put
> that in a month or two back). Likewise application team feeds, spanish blogs
> etc
>
>> > Second, during my time in Promo I have often been frustrated a bit with
>> > great
>> > posts about conferences or releases being posted on planet - while I
>> > thought
>> > they should've been going to the dot.
>
> Yep
>
>> > We have the same in openSUSE and
>> > are currently discussing a solution: get rid of news.o.o as an
>> > independent thing
>> > but instead turn it into a chery-picking tool for the planet. The
>> > marketing peeps who used to write there will get a 'marketing blog'
>> > which will be automatically aggregated on news, the rest can be choosen
>> > where and when needed.
>
> I'd be interested in the technicalities of that, but more below where Justin
> mentions that
>
>> > This could also be a possible solution for the dot - it's something to
>> > think
>> > about. It surely has dis-advantages - you can't edit the planet posts,
>> > for example. But as add-on it might just work ;-)
>>
>> Interesting idea...I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other but
>> here are a few things that come to mind in no particular order:
>>
>> - It would probably require less 'editing' work given it's aggregating and
>> we can't edit at all in that scenario.  No html code formatting, begging
>> for pictures, etc would be nice :)
>
> True. However, we could also achieve that by giving everyone on the Planet
> editor privileges on the Dot and getting them to upload their articles
> directly - presumably we don't do that because we see some benefit in the
> editing process. Likewise, we could abandon the two editors have to check
> rule, which again would make things quicker at the expense of perhaps a drop
> in quality - there would be more typos etc.
>
> (I don't favour any of the above)
>
>> - In general the work load on the Dot editor team would be less I guess if
>> we implemented it, which is consistently low on active volunteers.
>
> It has got worse recently because some previously active people have got
> busier with other things. If we can clone or recruit a few more Carls then
> we'd be ok :-)
>
>> Anything that makes life easier in that respect is good imo.
>> - I assume this would mean putting in an entirely new content management
>> system in place of the Dot to pull it off.  May or may not be a big
>> deal...it's not like our sysadmins are sitting around bored these days :)
>
> This is the killer for me. Syndication tools exist and could work on a specific
> tag/category being applied by the target authors (for example) but I'm note
> aware of a tool that allows us to easily import posts on an ad-hoc basis,
> could be one out there though. However, syndication tools can result in some
> funky things - the Planet sometimes has interesting formatting issues and
> doesn't handle images with captions that well.
>
> It also would mean that if you read the Planet there would be little point in
> reading the Dot any more.
>
>> - It would result in the Dot never having exclusive/original content.
>
> It could still be possible to add original content - as Jos suggests, existing
> writers could get a special blog for this purpose, that perhaps only appears
> on the news site.
>
>> - It would result in the Dot getting more well written articles from KDE
>> community members who wouldn't normally submit articles to the Dot.
>> - Would it matter to authors/bloggers that we're taking their blog articles
>> and thrusting them into a much larger audience?  Jos, did all the openSUSE
>> folks seem to be ok with this sort of thing?  I just know some people might
>> not want their stuff being put on a 'news site' vs the planet but then
>> again, if they're posting an article on the planet it seems like they'd
>> already expect a wide audience anyways?
>
> Practically - we could make it opt in
>
>> - Would it matter that things are often written in a different journalistic
>> style in blogs compared to how articles have been written for a news site
>> like the Dot?
>
> It would be a very different site, imho more like the Reddit KDE page or
> Tuxmachines. news.opensuse.org already looks quite a lot different to the Dot
> from what I can see. More articles are not necessarily a win if the quality
> drops and people stop following the Dot
>
> So, my few units of a monetary system of your choice:
> - I'd be interested to see news.opensuse.org try this - rather them than us,
> to be honest ;-)
> - I'd be interested to see how they deal with the technical issues, whether
> they can find a platform that makes this easy or have to build their own (this
> is a blocker imho until it is proven to be possible)
> - I'd be interested to see how they deal with political issues, self-
> governance in automated syndication (rants on news.opensuse.org?) picking
> articles and keeping decent quality, some style and formatting consistency
> - If it works well for them, we can debate it and steal their software and
> processes if we think it could work for us.
>
> Cheers,
> Stu
>
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