Re: A proposition on dot articles comments

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Stuart Jarvis <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Carl Symons <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Nikolaos Pantazis
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I propose the removal of the ability to add commends in dot articles
>>> and the addition of a link to the corresponding kde forum post.
>>>
>>> People want to talk about kde software. They want to cheer, they want
>>> to whine. They just like talking about it. Lets give them the right
>>> place to do so.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think this will accomplish what we want for KDE promotion.
>> Some comments definitely belong in the KDE forum. But others clearly
>> don't. Some comments are about distro packaging. Some are about links
>> that aren't working. It just isn't that big of a deal to read the
>> comments via RSS and handle each one appropriately.
>
> Ok, so here is what I think:
> - You, Carl, are the most active both on the Dot in general and in
> comment moderation
> - Therefore, I think - within limits, and don't worry, we'll give
> feedback on those... - you should get to choose how the system works,
> or at the very least try out things to see if they work

Well it's not really me. I am only looking to balance all the things
people have said they want from the Dot. Anonymous comments boosted
participation, but also increased garbage. Most of the garbage
comments are easily recognized as being offensive to the Code of
Conduct.

>
> In my reading of the earlier dot-editors thread, I think your
> conclusion was to moderate all comments before they appear (I'm not
> sure whether you wanted to also disallow anonymous commenting
> completely)

Yes. To Both. And I really took my view from what Martin Gräßlin suggested.

Anonymous vs signed-in comments
Some people contribute lots of time and energy throughout KDE. It's
not too much to ask for people to get an account and sign in to
comment. Several benefits come from that...previously discussed.

Moderate ahead
The alternatives are to moderate before or after comments appear.
Practically speaking, "after" means that trolling, flamebaiting,
off-topics and spam appear automatically, and sometime later (when
someone gets around to it) they are unpublished. "Before" in practice
means that the comment thread stays true publicly to the KDE Mission
and Code of Conduct.

>
> If that's right, then I'd be happy for you to go ahead and we can see
> how it goes and revisit after some set time (say a month, two months).
> What would be needed to make this happen? The technical side in Drupal
> is easy, I guess, to queue all comments for approval? Do we need more
> people to moderate the comments?
>
> Cheers,
> Stu
>

Implementation is simple, quick and easy. The Dot Editor routines are
already in place. It really isn't that much trouble to moderate. My
only concern is when I'm not able to give quick response. But that's
generally not a problem.

We agreed to revisit anonymous comments after 1 month. There was a bit
of conversation about that...and "anonymous allowed" continued. It was
only months later that the complaints came from dedicated KDE
contributors about what a bummer the Dot comments had become. So maybe
we look in a month, but keep an eye on the situation ongoingly. The
reason for allowing anonymous comments was to increase involvement.
That's probably the main deciding factor.

By the way, I think that sending people to forums is a great idea. The
importance and visibility of Dot comments fade over time. Forums are
better on this count.

Thanks for support Stu. I guide from the Mission and Code of Conduct
the best I can.

Carl

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