Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Am Freitag, 24. Mai 2013, 00:06:50 schrieb Oswald Buddenhagen:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:01:40PM +0200, Ingo Malchow wrote:
> > I seriously question why you even opened up your mail client to write this
> > reply.
> 
> fine, then i'll explain it to you.
> 
> you may notice that this is -promo, not -artists. on this list i would
> expect people to have some basic understanding of trademarks (and yes,
> konqi definitely *is* part of our trademark, even if not a registered
> one), and what it means to change them on a whim, both from a messenging
> perspective and a practical one.

You would be surprised how much more is happening in this entire community 
when you sneak out of your hole. And i must assume you sit in one, else you 
would have noticed that far earlier. There were blogposts, ton of feedback on 
the contest itself.
What it means to have such a change is indeed the question of the initial 
poster. Feedback like yours though is possibly hurting any evolution of KDE as 
whole and shows nothing more than disrespect for the work others in this 
community do.

> 
> second, you apparently think that The Artists have the absolute
> authority on this matter. you may want to think about what you are
> actually trying to do here, on a purely personal level.
> 

The contest was never meant to have a final real replacement for our mascot 
(notice the word, don't confuse with logo). It was meant to provide 
alternatives. 
Considering the sort of feedback so far it seems to be a very good alternative 
indeed.

Oh, and my personal goal is driving KDE forward. I question yours.

> and yes, i find this artwork personally awful, and a disastrous fit for
> kde as a whole - i can already see the faces of the business users who
> open the about dialog to be greeted with an oversized, flashy,
> ridiculously looking logo.

Complete missunderstanding then, which shows how much you yourself thought out 
before writing that complete mess. We are talking about a mascot here, not a 
logo.
And again, this thread is about the question itself, not when. And if you 
don't like it doesn't mean it counts for everyone. The broad feedback was 
positive.

(as a sidenote for the thread opener, the artist showed interest to provide 
different perspectives of the new konqi as well, if that would be needed)

> 
> and in case you wonder about my aggressive sarcasm: i just find it
> amazing how far this farce has apparently gone in certain circles
> without consultation with the wider kde community (that means, those who
> are not explicitly interested in artwork, but would be affected by a
> change of this magnitude (which is, like, everyone)).

I don't wonder about your aggression, i really question it. That is no way to 
go, and i don't want to be part of a community where that is an acceptable 
attitude, neither from a 1-day-contributor nor from someone with a long time 
commitment.

the entire contest was done in public and could be watched and followed, on 
several sources. Get your ass out of your hole maybe. Additionally, watch your 
language and honor the CoC like everyone else.

If you didn't notice yet, the initial idea of the contest was mine. Thanks to 
asshole attitudes like yours though i am pretty sure i will not try to improve 
KDE anymore.

> 
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