Re: 4.12 release: we need your help!!!

On Sunday 08 December 2013 19:04:07 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dissabte, 7 de desembre de 2013, a les 22:03:05, Jos Poortvliet va
> 
> escriure:
> > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Albert Astals Cid <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > El Dijous, 5 de desembre de 2013, a les 15:08:35, Jos Poortvliet va
> 
> escriure:
> > >> So, after some conversation on IRC and writing/editing, the text is on
> > >> https://notes.kde.org/p/release_4.12
> > >> it has three sections:
> > >> * the dot article (written by unormal, edited by me)
> > >> * the text for http://kde.org/announcements/4.12 - mix of the dot
> > >> article and some text by me
> > >> * the text for http://kde.org/announcements/4.11/applications.php -
> > >> simply the list made by Mario turned into text
> > > 
> > > Some comments:
> > >  * We are *not* releasing kde-workspace so i think that:
> > >    - "The upgrades in version numbers for the Workspaces and Platform
> > >    are
> > > 
> > > merely for the convenience of packaging." should be "The upgrades in
> > > version numbers for the Platform are merely for the convenience of
> > > packaging."
> > 
> > Ok, didn't know that. For my information, why do we release upgraded
> > numbers of the Platform but not for Workspaces?
> 
> Because verion number upgrade for platform is not "merely a convenience" for
> packaging, we have lots of stuff in other modules that use definitions from
> kdelibs to set the version numbering, so we need to update it.
> kde-workspace otoh lives in it's own world.
> 
> > >    - "All bug fixes and minor features developed since the release of
> > >    Plasma
> > > 
> > > Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.11 have been included." should
> > > not
> > > be there
> > 
> > Ok, so that goes.
> > 
> > >    - The "Plasma Workspaces Continue Bugfixing" section should not be
> > >    there
> > 
> > Idem.
> > 
> > >  * "KDE Platform 4.12 Becomes More Stable" is against the idea that the
> > > 
> > > kdelibs 4.11 == 4.12 because how can it become more stable if it's the
> > > same
> > > thing with just a new version number? Note that I can confirm that
> > > KDE/4.12
> > > and KDE/4.11 are not exactly the same, since git diff shows a few
> > > differences, so not sure how to articulate this kdelibs being frozen but
> > > not really :D
> > 
> > It did get about 20 bugfixes, since 4.11.0, although I guess they have
> > been rolled into 4.11.x too.
> 
> Hope so :-)
> 
> > And we did this for 4.11 and 4.10 etc
> > too, talking about it while it was frozen... Yeah, this has been a bit
> > inconsistent, and now it will get more inconsistent with the
> > workspaces not going to a new number unlike the Platform. I guess we
> > should have thought about this at some point...
> > 
> > I thought the most consistent thing would be to continue with the
> > platform as we have (which is, upgrading the release number and to
> > talk about its bugfixes and minor features, if any, while pointing out
> > that it's frozen) and do the same thing for the Workspaces -
> > numbering-up and talking about it but no separate page.
> > 
> > But as we don't number up the Workspaces (?) that makes it a bit
> > complicated. Should we skip talking about it altogether, or mention
> > its bugfixes went into the minor releases? Perhaps even explain why we
> > treat the platform different from the workspaces?
> 
> The rationale is simple, we promised kde-workspace 4.11 to be LTS and we're
> keeping that promise. If we want to mention it or not, i'll leave that to
> you, personally I would not go besides what the rest of 4.12 announcements
> have "This release does not include Plasma Workspaces since it was frozen
> for new features in 4.11.x. " but if you find a nicer non confusing way to
> put it, i'm all for it.

Lemme see what I can do, I have a few minutes now :D

After that - Mario, can you drag this to the finish line? I'll be quite busy 
for the rest of this and next week so I might not even read any emails on the 
promo list...

/J

> Cheers,
>   Albert
> 
> > > The rest seems good, maybe the list of app improvements a little too
> > > long
> > > but i guess it's good we put more people into the spotlight :-)
> > 
> > Ah, as long as the announcement on the dot/mail isn't too long, it
> > doesn't matter that we HAVE more detail for those interested...
> > 
> > /J
> > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > >   Albert
> > >> 
> > >> It can all use some review and pictures are missing. I hope this was
> > >> helpful, I would like to now turn some of my attention to writing an
> > >> announcement of Frameworks 5 Technology Preview:
> > >> https://notes.kde.org/p/Frameworks5TechPreviewAnnounce
> > >> 
> > >> Hugs,
> > >> J
> > >> 
> > >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jos Poortvliet <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Mario Fux KDE ML
> > >> > <[email protected]>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >> >> Am Donnerstag, 21. November 2013, 11.26:08 schrieb Mario Fux KDE ML:
> > >> >>> Morning
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Morning
> > >> >> 
> > >> >>> Here is the start and the coordination:
> > >> >>> https://notes.kde.org/p/release_4.12
> > >> >>> 
> > >> >>> Add as much information you know and can.
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> I had a short chat with Carl on IRC and I'm planning to start a text
> > >> >> according to:
> > >> >> http://dot.kde.org/2013/08/14/411-release-plasma-workspaces-applicat
> > >> >> io
> > >> >> ns-> >> and- development-platform tomorrow on my train to work and
> > >> >> back.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Should I still go in and edit in that doc, or not?
> > >> > 
> > >> >> Best
> > >> >> Mario
> > >> >> 
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