Re: KDE Program for a FLOSS-oriented CS curriculum

If that is the case, it is a good start, but ideally we'd speak to ones who
have no vested interest in this project, as well.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Aleix Pol <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Harold Schreckengost <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > I think it goes beyond just not knowing entirely how to teach the
> material.
> > Programs want their students to be prepared for what the world will
> expect
> > of them, and if we can't provide material and resources to help them
> prepare
> > their students for the real world, we will see very little traction, even
> > among supporters.
> >
> > I feel like the best place to start with an initiative like this,
> outside of
> > just talking about how great it would be, would be to talk to relevant
> > educators and get their input.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Aleix Pol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Sandro Andrade <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi there,
> >> >
> >> > I've been thinking about the process by which newcomers start doing
> >> > their contributions in KDE. In spite of some minor exceptions, I guess
> >> > undergraduate students are still the majority of such potential
> >> > contributors. However, different universities around the world vary
> >> > from zero to very intense incentives not only to the adoption but also
> >> > to focus their academic activities towards FLOSS applications.
> >> >
> >> > Certainly many possible causes for such zero adoption of FLOSS in
> >> > universities are out of our immediate control, but I think we have
> >> > chances for addressing another ones. What I've seen, at least in
> >> > Brazil, is that most CS professors are either not interested in FLOSS
> >> > or perhaps interested but completely unaware about how things work and
> >> > how they would correlate FLOSS with the subjects taught in their
> >> > courses.
> >> >
> >> > Cutting right to the chase, I was wondering if the availability of a
> >> > high quality and comprehensive "KDE Program for a FLOSS-oriented CS
> >> > curriculum" would help in any way the number of CS students doing
> >> > their work using KDE software. In practical terms, we initially would
> >> > have to agree on a common CS curricula (hopefully that is expected to
> >> > be easily identified) and then document, for each curriculum
> >> > component, the KDE technologies that would be either inspiring sources
> >> > for analysis or potential cases to apply, as contributions, concepts
> >> > related to that curriculum component.
> >> >
> >> > Some examples:
> >> >
> >> > - For a "Data Structure" and "Graph Theory" courses: we  would
> >> > document possible contributions in Rocs or the main implementation
> >> > aspects of Qt container classes.
> >> > - For a "Design Patterns" and "Software Architecture" courses: we
> >> > would describe how patterns have been used across KDE software and the
> >> > tactics adopted in outstanding architectures of applications like
> >> > KDevelop, Qt Creator, Plasma, KF5, and many others.
> >> > - For a "Software Quality" and "Project Management" courses: we would
> >> > explain the quality assurance process adopted in Qt and KDE
> >> > communities, along with the tools, standards, and procedures that
> >> > support the process.
> >> > - For a "Computer Graphics and Image Processing" course: we would
> >> > point out contributions possibilities in kdenlive, krita, and so on.
> >> > - For a "Compilers and Programming Paradigms" course: we could explore
> >> > the grantlee parser automata and/or the QML interpreter.
> >> >
> >> > The ultimate goal would be having a detailed set of guidelines about
> >> > how to adopt KDE as a central case study in CS courses. Obviously,
> >> > that would require some time investment and the help of those of you
> >> > who knows a lot about KDE solutions.
> >> >
> >> > By now, I would like to hear from you about two initial questions:
> >> >
> >> > 1) Do you experience this same scenario in your countries/universities
> >> > and consider this problem 'pervasive' enough to demand a global
> >> > endeavour from our community ?
> >> >
> >> > 2) Do you think such a 'KDE Program' is worth and would help in
> >> > fostering the adoption of KDE in universities and in alleviating some
> >> > initial contribution barriers ?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > --
> >> > Sandro
> >> >
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> >> Hi!
> >> I think it's a good initiative, this could go somewhere, if it's done
> with
> >> love.
> >>
> >> Personally, I think that narrowing down to Computer Science isn't
> >> fundamental. What is really important is to have a common format so
> >> that we can work on different things in parallel. THE reason why many
> >> schools haven't adopted our software isn't that it isn't good enough
> >> or even that the teachers aren't familiar with it. THE reason is that
> >> they don't know what to do with it, having to come up with what to
> >> teach is enough reason to throw them back, even if they like the
> >> software or the project.
> >>
> >> Now my question is: how can we make it easy to come up with this kind
> >> of content?
> >>
> >> Aleix
> >>
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> I might be wrong, but I think that one of the reasons why Sandro
> raised the issue, is because he's an educator himself.
>
> Aleix
>
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